Ships & Modules

Read it here after a corpie mentioned it (after seeing ishtar fleet #54168471837373874138671438133717)

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2n138w/cagali_cagali_ishtars_are_doing_8_of_all_pvp/

Anyone have anything more? Context, clarification?

Of have I been trolled?

I'd be more interested in what ship types cause most damage on Ishtars...

Yea, the only counter to Ishtars is:

A: Run away.
B: Bring more Ishtars.

Everyone i know agrees that Ishtars are very OP. Even the people who fly them.

This of course comes from the fact they have a highly bonused primary weapon system that requires no cap, no power grid, no cpu and of course it quite immune to ewar.

For the record...

Stratios > Ishtar

because Stratios = cloaky Ishtar. If you do it right.

That was the context I was hoping for. I'd like to see the origin of the numbers etc.

And if I had to bet, it'll be cats and talos out in front, I think.

even if the data is true, it has to be interpreted correctly. there are also more factors to consider.

and you can create the appearance of 'broken' with any ship, using sheer numbers.

if it's being used a lot, it's probably due to skills. first, it's a cruiser hull. the same class of ship as logistics and recons, both popular and effective T2 roles, which mean the hull skill has been trained to V. training one T2 ship means the core skills have been trained for other ships as well.

drones. they're a versatile damage system and they apply to any ship with a drone bay. it's a good idea to have those trained if you plan to undock at all, and apply dps to something, somewhere, sometime.

they're also automated. there's a good bit of macro supported in the client, that you would need ISBoxer to rival the afk effectiveness with other weapon types. for another ship to be as prevalent as Ishtars, they need the same amount of automation.

players call me crazy for saying racial T2 skills should happen, but that's just the beginning. the whole skill sheet needs to be split racially. that way, the only reason a pilot flies an ishtar is because they trained gallente cruiser skills and gallente supports, and gallente HAC. ...not because your ratting domi + logistics cruiser character happened to have everything to be an effective ishtar pilot within 2 days.

the other general balancing options are nerf the effective thing, or buff something else. depending on what rise/fozzie/greyscale (whoever) decide to do, it could be very good or very bad.

my general opinion? if it's not the Ishtar, it will be something else. for the sake of keeping things violent and kill-y, every other ship needs to be buffed and as effective as the Ishtar, skill sheets aside.

but. I don't have much faith in the balancing crew, and I'm pretty sure the ishtar will just be nerfed. CCP doesn't have the groinds to bring other ships up to par with the Ishtar. the best thing is just have everything-cruiser trained, which isn't that hard. my youngest pilots from 2012 are just about there.

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don't get stuck in the statistics, it's not an algorithmic problem. you need lateral / heuristic thinking for this one.

it's also very simple. it's a low mass, low volume hull with 700 dps that can reach a large tower through the shields.

make other cruisers do that. it's not easy. blasters are out, for one.

Just like any other ship the Ishtar has a counter. While not a hard counter, the same number of RR Dominixes can hold the field against Ishtars without much trouble. In order to break reps the Ishtars would have to get too close for comfort, as damage in sentry falloff isn't optimal. One of our enemies used Ishtars a while back bashing structures, and knowing they were shield fit we formed up on an outgate they had to take. None of them survived our Curators punching into their EM holes as they jumped.

"Best ship in the game" my ass... it's a decent boat indeed, but by no means unbeatable.

Or just equip damps and Ishtars are forced to come closer or use a bomber wing to wipe out sentries.
with regular drones you can equip smarts so it's not like you don't have options to kill Ishtars or rather drones but Ishtars die when drones die.

Or failing the above drop a domi fleet on them.