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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#41 - 2014-11-23 21:20:30 UTC
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-11-23 21:21:28 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
And they expect a battleship to perform better against a frigate why? It's a bad fight, especially with NPC's not having to worry about cap or ammo. An Ishkur flown by a player is an absolute nightmare for most non-drone PVE BS's to engage, I can only imagine that the NPC version can only be more of a pain in the arse.



depends.. if the battleship is a vindicator.. it works :P

As my fool self discovered a while back when I drunkenly decided it was a good idea to flip a vindi with a navy comet.
Results were predictable. IE: "Oh! Oh! I'm on fire! I'm on fire! Surely he's almost out of dron"


Wait.... I know I have something around here for this. How about armour Merlin vs Vindicator?

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#43 - 2014-11-23 22:11:40 UTC
I was meaning to ask if they got easier... I've been flying a ishtar rather carelessly and the NPCs almost never even shot my drones. that and I more or less had a shield buffer for a tank and I barely ever felt any danger. The worst was a pirate invasion where I got full room aggro for lulz.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#44 - 2014-11-23 22:49:58 UTC
My experience with leaving missions and coming back to the, after some time has been that you forget some of the regular behaviours. Little things like what range you find most comfortable, the order of aggression and so forth.

As for why your ship is getting melted, one possible explanations that comes to mind could be a "not-fitted-but-fitted" tank, where for whatever reason modules appear fitted and online but the combat simulator isn't taking them into account. There is also the question of whether you are maintaining traversal & speed, using the right tank, using the best ammo, and so forth.

I have once (heard of someone who) had a problem with a ship which required repackaging and reassembling the hull. Weird stuff has happened from time to time. In this case I might be remembering someone else's story, since I can't look at my hangar and say, "yeah, it was ship C in mission Y."

But the essence of this story is: strip the modules, refit (using the saved fitting specific for that mission).

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Altair Taurus
#45 - 2014-11-23 22:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
I didn't notice that. Maybe it depends on what ship you fly but I have flown several hard L4 missions (World's Collide, The Assault etc.) recently in my Rattlesnake and Vindicator without much problem. I think crucial question is to have good DPS because DPS tank = best tank. In fact my Rattle can do over 1100 DPS at 100 km and my rail Vindi also 1100 DPS at 60 km. That's enough because rats die very quickly one after another and my ships almost always maintain safe distance which means less incoming damage. Maybe about 1000 DPS gank constitutes some breaking point in L4 missions because after crossing it things go substantially easier.
Josef Djugashvilis
#46 - 2014-11-24 08:08:03 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


I run level 4s in an assault frigate.

Problem?


I do them in a Velator armed with mining lasers, sometimes I even skip the mining lasers.

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ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#47 - 2014-11-24 08:20:08 UTC
To the OP, I doubt it has gotten any more difficult, I would imagine most likely there was a simple error that you missed, like you clicked a LSE in the fitting screen and offlined it or something.

As to the other points raised, not everyone lives in Highsec in NPC corps were you can't get wardecced. So, there are some good reasons to use something smaller than a battleship. Scouting an ishtar seems a bit easier and safer than scouting a Geddon thru lowsec for example.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-11-24 10:06:15 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


I run level 4s in an assault frigate.

Problem?


I do them in a Velator armed with mining lasers, sometimes I even skip the mining lasers.


Velator too stronk! NERF VELATOR!!!!

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Josef Djugashvilis
#49 - 2014-11-24 13:12:52 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


I run level 4s in an assault frigate.

Problem?


I do them in a Velator armed with mining lasers, sometimes I even skip the mining lasers.


Velator too stronk! NERF VELATOR!!!!


I use it for that mission (so long since I have done it, that I have forgotten its name) where one has to collect something or other then get the hell out of there.

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Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-11-24 15:33:33 UTC
Cynadore wrote:
Hal Morsh wrote:

Yea people using an exploit to get battleships into burner missions, still lost them.



These are people who fail at EVE and don't understand how sig radius and speed tanking work. Sure a battleship has a much bigger tank. But a battleship ends up taking 100% of the damage too, before considering resists. A good frigate usually gets missed by everything except other frigates and even then...



Low sec mining in my venture orbiting NPC at 10k mwd on and 2 Fed Hobgoblins slowly chewing away at them.
Hal Morsh
Doomheim
#51 - 2014-11-24 21:47:31 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You know what's always fun? Going into someone's lvl 4 mission, and if they don't shoot at you and run back to dock cuz you're GCC (only way to fly in highsec), then you shoot all their triggers in one room, draw all the spawns to the beacon, then reship to cloaky, return to room, and watch them instasplode when they land. Have fraps running for bonus points.




There was also one of the blockades I think it was. Every time your mining lasers cycle on a rock the warp in beacon damages ships in the site. So you could potentially lure some people in with a bunch of 8 slot battleships on some rocks, and pop them with the beacon.

Oh, I perfectly understand, Hal Morsh — a mission like this requires courage, skill, and heroism… qualities you are clearly lacking. Have you forgotten you're one of the bloody immortals!?
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-11-24 22:03:51 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You know what's always fun? Going into someone's lvl 4 mission, and if they don't shoot at you and run back to dock cuz you're GCC (only way to fly in highsec), then you shoot all their triggers in one room, draw all the spawns to the beacon, then reship to cloaky, return to room, and watch them instasplode when they land. Have fraps running for bonus points.




There was also one of the blockades I think it was. Every time your mining lasers cycle on a rock the warp in beacon damages ships in the site. So you could potentially lure some people in with a bunch of 8 slot battleships on some rocks, and pop them with the beacon.

hold on, what is this?

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Mharius Skjem
Guardians of the Underworld
#53 - 2014-11-24 23:37:29 UTC
Hal Morsh wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
You know what's always fun? Going into someone's lvl 4 mission, and if they don't shoot at you and run back to dock cuz you're GCC (only way to fly in highsec), then you shoot all their triggers in one room, draw all the spawns to the beacon, then reship to cloaky, return to room, and watch them instasplode when they land. Have fraps running for bonus points.




There was also one of the blockades I think it was. Every time your mining lasers cycle on a rock the warp in beacon damages ships in the site. So you could potentially lure some people in with a bunch of 8 slot battleships on some rocks, and pop them with the beacon.


I vaguely remember that. Does this still happen?

or am I getting confused.

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Federal Jegerouns
#54 - 2014-11-25 12:10:06 UTC
They did not made them harder, but they seriosly nerfed the loot. And that makes me sad. Because I like the element of surprise, what I will find in MTU after the mission. Now it is mostly ammunition and metal, even in wrecks from a 1 100 000 bounty battleships.

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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#55 - 2014-11-26 04:27:31 UTC
Doing Level 4 missions in rigged and tanked Procurer with Hobgoblin IIs. Takes time but not much effort. MTU cleans up loot.

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Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#56 - 2014-11-28 14:37:03 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


I run level 4s in an assault frigate.

Problem?


I do them in a Velator armed with mining lasers, sometimes I even skip the mining lasers.

i do them in a tank from WoT. sometimes i even skip the tank.

I should buy an Ishtar.
emylie ramstein
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-12-01 15:53:50 UTC
L4 with Gila = just lol with bonnus 500% drones damage and hit point.....info drones with Caldari navy vespa= 6.500 shield and shield recharge time= 200 sec !!!!!! damage modif= *32 !!!!!....650 dps easy with 55 k ehp and move 680 m/sec with AB you are safe^^
Ginger Barbarella
#58 - 2014-12-01 18:51:02 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


Uh... they're "too easy" and you say she should be doing them in a BATTLESHIP?

W/e... Sleip is perfectly fine for L4's. In fact lately last (6-8 months) I haven't even undocked in a battleship, and only use T3 for low/null exploration.

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Roche Pso
Deltole Research Labs
#59 - 2014-12-01 21:39:41 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
No....they are way too easy.

Edit - and yes, you really should be doing L4s in a battleship or T3. Why on earth would you use something else?


Because it is challenging and fun? PVE is boring in general, mixing it up makes it more interesting
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#60 - 2014-12-05 19:34:47 UTC
I know they got harder longer ago because of the amount of ew they use has just made them stupid annoying to anything but bastion mode and even then blood raider can ruin your day with more ships using neuts

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