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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Flamespar
WarRavens
#1381 - 2011-12-14 22:10:31 UTC
Tomytronic wrote:
You're all madmen. Why not just get on TS or mumble or - gasp - EVE Voice and talk to your corpmates. If you're so desperate to see their mute faces stare at you while a disembodied voice laughs at whatever lolcat link you've just sent them in corp chat, just open their avatar from the character panel and stare at it intently until the straining in your eyes causes pinpricks of light to erupt across your vision, smearing the view and making the blank collection of pixels look like it's anything other than a waste of developer time.

Seriously. The image you have in your head of Walking in Stations is nothing like any reality that could ever be achieved by a company like CCP. Why not communicate with the people directly through some sort of telephonic medium instead of watching their expressionless pixel blob faces clumsily clip through glasses of Quafe while sitting stock still in a glitchy and aliased table in the middle of a deserted and lifeless room.

You'll never, ever get what you imagine. Let it go.


Either go look at previous fanfest videos on what Incarna was meant to involve (and see that Incarna does not deliver on that vision), or quit your idiotic rhetoric and GTFO.

I also find it funny how people like you bag out the graphics of Incarna when FiS largely involves watching little red crosses of various sizes vanish.
Taiwanistan
#1382 - 2011-12-15 01:57:06 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Amelia Ryan wrote:
But stopping WiS completely, is the wrong move, i've been playing this game for 6 years, i need something new and refreshing.

They released the remaining 3 CQs which weren't released in Incarna, so WiS isn't completely dead. It doesn't have nearly the same focus as before as it seems like (and I'm strongly hopeful of this) they're looking to go back and iterate on a ton of the old cruft that's been collecting for the past 6 years. This is something which, if done right, will vastly improve the game as a whole, especially if they can go back and finally make old and boring systems like mining more fun, and if they can go through their newer systems as well and remove their rougher spots. Most importantly, however, would be that CCP goes through EVE and make it into a more cohesive universe, instead of the slightly hodgepodge soup we have now. If they additionally changed their design philosophy away from making almost every UI a cockstabbing experience by default, and instead tried to make them intuitive and easy to work with so we could spend more time having fun, that'd be dandy as well.


Dev's have stated now that those CQs are out there are NO/ZERO/NADA/BUPKISS resources on any additional WiS work. And we have a CSM re-enforcning that decision.

So unless someone keeps speaking out for WiS development to continue in some form we won't ever get through that door.

Issler


highly likely after 3 years the doors open and you are disappoint

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."

Flamespar
WarRavens
#1383 - 2011-12-15 05:56:39 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:


highly likely after 3 years the doors open and you are disappoint


What is it with Goons and poorly articulated counter arguements?

At least this is a refreshing change from the usual 'OMG ITS NOT FiS THEREFORES I HATES IT'.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#1384 - 2011-12-15 14:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Looking to the right -->
<--Looking to the left

51 days, 1,383 posts, no CCP Dev to be seen here yet. Sad

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Malcolm Gunn
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1385 - 2011-12-15 15:00:12 UTC
Because CCP has already told you all what will happen with WiS.

It is on the back burner for improvement and expansion at a later date. If you want it so badly, you're going to have to wait. CCP has decided that there are things more important to deal with right now, like, ya know, EVE's core gameplay.

I'll welcome WiS when it's ready and prudent to work on, but until then, I'm gonna go have fun with my new Raven. And Maybe even a T3 BC. Or all the Papercuts fixes/additions. See where I'm going with this?
Beaches
Doomheim
#1386 - 2011-12-15 15:12:14 UTC
Malcolm Gunn wrote:
Because CCP has already told you all what will happen with WiS.

It is on the back burner for improvement and expansion at a later date. If you want it so badly, you're going to have to wait. CCP has decided that there are things more important to deal with right now, like, ya know, EVE's core gameplay.

I'll welcome WiS when it's ready and prudent to work on, but until then, I'm gonna go have fun with my new Raven. And Maybe even a T3 BC. Or all the Papercuts fixes/additions. See where I'm going with this?



Have they said how they're planning on improving EVE's core gameplay? Could you elaborate on it a little bit, because clearly you are their de facto spokesperson.

What is this "herp derp improve core gameplay" what do you mean?
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#1387 - 2011-12-15 16:50:06 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens


Now I get why YOU want it.
Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(.

YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too.

Damn trolls ....

Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1388 - 2011-12-15 17:02:42 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens


Now I get why YOU want it.
Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(.

YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too.

Damn trolls ....

Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS




Nope don,t want CS ,still like EVE,s spaceships ,but also want WIS

Come on CCP what,s the matter
Why is there no response afraid of making a large group of players angry again?
Or you just realised more people want WIS ,more then you thought,other then some Goon tells you?
Or thinking a lot of people are happy now with the little patch presumably made in 6 weeks,so you don,t have to care any more?

R.S.I2014

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#1389 - 2011-12-15 17:25:27 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens


Now I get why YOU want it.
Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(.

YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too.

Whatever it is you're smoking, puff puff pass. I want to see just how ****** up my world perceptions turn with that ****, because, damn, *****.

Jojo Jackson wrote:
Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS

I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

Freezehunter
#1390 - 2011-12-15 17:30:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
mainly in hisec where pubbies congreate in safe havens


Now I get why YOU want it.
Hell, I should have known it when I saw the Ally :(.

YOU just want another way to grief, gank, terrorise other people and you hope, you can suizid gank them in stations too.

Whatever it is you're smoking, puff puff pass. I want to see just how ****** up my world perceptions turn with that ****, because, damn, *****.

Jojo Jackson wrote:
Go and play CS .. there you have enough WiS

I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv


QFT on the CS part.

Inappropriate signature, CCP Phantom.

Lexmana
#1391 - 2011-12-15 18:26:32 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Freezehunter wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Comboduck wrote:
I don't want walking in stations.

Don't use it, then.


I am pretty sure he meant:

I don't want WiS and I don't want CCP to waste development time and money on that crap they call Incarna, instead of using that time and money to fix bugs and balance **** that is already in the game.

There, better?

Because I am pretty sure 90% of us think like that...
I certainly do.



wrong mister Freezehunter

99,99 % is happy about the last patch ,done in 6 weeks stated by CCP

but a lot are disappointed by the fact they can do a lot in such a short time and don,t find a way to get a few % of their workforce back to WIS (i didn,t say Incarna)
And most of all they lack response on a thread like this. even maybe that 90 % you think of


it took six weeks to make all the FiS for crucible and a couple of years for all the WiS in Incarna. So, it looks like the dev resources are better spent on FiS by a factor of 2 million or so ...
Kanexus
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1392 - 2011-12-15 18:57:32 UTC
Walk in stations is a great idea....i mean like for example, you are at a station and you dont feel like doing missions or nothing in particular is going on in Eve you can walk inside stations and mingle with the fellow players. Have the players have lil action animations and such..have little mini games. it would be a diversion from the core gameplay and would make you feel more immersed in the world of eve. its not a bad idea really.
Nocturnal Avenger
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1393 - 2011-12-15 19:08:10 UTC
Ydnari wrote:
Abandon WiS.


This
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#1394 - 2011-12-15 19:08:27 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

I don't know what it's like in teenage land where you live, but up in adult land where the rest of us live, CS is old, unsophisticated and boring. vOv

Just unlogic.

If the last game of this type I know is CS as I stoped playing them that time ... and for you CS is old -> you aren't even close to my age.

Guy, you disqualified yourselve ... typical GOON.

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

arcca jeth
Dark Alliance
#1395 - 2011-12-15 19:17:03 UTC
I was talking to a friend that plays EVE a couple of nights ago, he asked when is more WiS content coming out...I asked him "you don't visit the forums much do you?" he said "no, why?" and gave him a little insight as to what happened in the recent months regarding Incarna and the "supposed" player uprising, which is still in debate now as to what was the real cause, everyone has a different story.

when i told him that it might be a long time before he sees any new content for WiS, he was really disappointed.

a little advice to CCP, your comment that EvE is our game is a slippery slope. You CANT make everyone happy. Eventually you will be torn on where to go with EvE and your clear undetermined "game plan" for developing the game will drive players away. they will feel disconnected from the development process and it will feel like there is no future for this game and no real goal to achieve. Fixes and polishing are great, but so is moar kontent. There should not have to be a ONE or the OTHER. both can be achieved.

I will say, again, that forum posters are the vocal minority. SO, if you (the players who support WiS) have friends who want to see WiS receive more attention from CCP and the Dev team, they have made it clear that they are listening, so you and everyone who supports it are going to have to go on campaign, ingame, and drum up support for what you would like, so those players can come here and push this thread to 200pages.

Abominare
The Hatchery
#1396 - 2011-12-15 19:17:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Abominare
I really wouldn't mind some iteration on WiS. Ultimately I think the missed opportunity here comes in the form of dust.

While it is intended that dust players interact with their eve counterparts some issues really get brought out in the actual communication barrier between these two groups.

In eve there is two ways to communicate with another player. Through text, such as evemail/chat channels, and the other widely used and preferred method for actual cohesive play is through Vent/TS.

On a console the preferred way to communicate is through speech systems built into the actual game. You can of course type out mail, but typing one a controller is much akin to nailing your genitalia to a rust steel beam.

Granted eve does have a built in comm system but I've never actually heard of any one using it, and I am skeptical it actually works.

This creates a communication issue, dusties will want to talk to potential eve clients via speech where as capsuleers will want to communicate via text or a speech program that doesn't actually run on a console.

The nice thing about WiS, is if dusties had their own carbon avatar (which would help with identifying themselves beyond dude in uniform armor with a machine gun) and allowed to participate in stations with eve players, the likely hood of communication would seem to increase.

Lets say bored eve player is in Station X hes sitting in a bar playing that risk type minigame we saw at convention. He ends up in a game with a dust player, while playing he might actually be more tempted to turn on the eve-dust built in voice coms and chat a little with him. This begins to build a bond, the two occasionally when worn out from playing their respective games seek each other out and continue to build a bond.

When dust player receives a contract to clear out a planet, he recognizes the name of the target owner. Its our friendly eve player he has become friends with. Suddenly a more complicated game choice has arrived. Hes not just fighting a nameless enemy and his dust defenders but hes seeing how his actions can affect others that hes actually involved with. Do you warn your friend? Do you refuse to take part? Do you leave your merc group? Or do you take the money and stab him in the back, you are a merc after all.

If anything it would give incentive to actually using the ccp voice client and ease culture barriers between the two games.

This really is the big thing about WiS, it really isnt meant to deliver the same kind of pew pew action fun. WiS is more about the development of social interaction inside of the game. Its about being able to more easily relate and acknowledge individuals, not spaceships. Eve on its own can most definitely support the current social model via FiS, its the expansion of the Eve Universe into different games and platforms that really supports having WiS serve as a conduit between these groups. Its almost necessary to really begin to lay the foundations of an actual social network in eve between all the games.
Trainwreck McGee
Doomheim
#1397 - 2011-12-15 19:28:59 UTC
CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now.

CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1398 - 2011-12-15 19:29:30 UTC
arcca jeth wrote:
I was talking to a friend that plays EVE a couple of nights ago, he asked when is more WiS content coming out...I asked him "you don't visit the forums much do you?" he said "no, why?" and gave him a little insight as to what happened in the recent months regarding Incarna and the "supposed" player uprising, which is still in debate now as to what was the real cause, everyone has a different story.

when i told him that it might be a long time before he sees any new content for WiS, he was really disappointed.

a little advice to CCP, your comment that EvE is our game is a slippery slope. You CANT make everyone happy. Eventually you will be torn on where to go with EvE and your clear undetermined "game plan" for developing the game will drive players away. they will feel disconnected from the development process and it will feel like there is no future for this game and no real goal to achieve. Fixes and polishing are great, but so is moar kontent. There should not have to be a ONE or the OTHER. both can be achieved.

I will say, again, that forum posters are the vocal minority. SO, if you (the players who support WiS) have friends who want to see WiS receive more attention from CCP and the Dev team, they have made it clear that they are listening, so you and everyone who supports it are going to have to go on campaign, ingame, and drum up support for what you would like, so those players can come here and push this thread to 200pages.



Yeah ok we gonna make CCP do another panic move like we give all means of earning ISK to the Goons
First of all CCP needs to respond in some way ,after that we can see
but after all those happy post CCP got lately ,it seems they are gonna hang out in their favorite pubs,and think screw EVE community.
All post that aren,t happy about CCP aren,t responded or just locked with no appearend reason.
Brings back some memory and its a pity CCP lacks memory

R.S.I2014

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1399 - 2011-12-15 19:31:36 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now.


Incarna was a failure ,not WIS
Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others

R.S.I2014

Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#1400 - 2011-12-15 19:38:04 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
CCP is not responding to this because they already said WiS is a failure and they are working on the real game now.


Incarna was a failure ,not WIS
Maybe WIS is a failure to you ,but not to me and apperantly a lot of others


they came out and called everything they had done so far no fun. meaning their whole project was viewed as a failure by the very people building it. hence why it got scrapped.