Intergalactic Summit

So, OP, how goes the hunt or search or whatever for that currency? How are your crew?

Pieter, the State did nothing; if I had to pick a place to live beyond the Republic, I would choose to live there. I have nothing but respect for your people, and nation, even if I question the wisdom of your choices in allies.

I gave a sarcastic, snarky reply to an uninformed, hate-filled post, to both point out that my people are ANYTHING but "lazy" and to show the ridiculousness of such claims.

I suppose I did well, mm?

In the end, it is my belief that people should at the very least be treated as people.


Though the irony is not lost on me, I must say Dominicus Pneuma, you are doing God's work. My finances are limited, but I can offer to funnel currency of a limited quantity for you completely free of charge.

No, you really didn't.

I was raised and taught to revere all Elders, Khargai, Mystics and Shamen, irrespective of their clan or tribe.
But you make it very difficult for me sometimes.

In fact, in the State putting you outside of our system is considered a capital punishment, as many peoples would prefer death to this.
If peoples want to leave what the State gives them, well, haha, their choice. Pity creatures.

Thank you Jvpiter, the red tape of this inquiry will be well worthwhile to the many whom chosen to remain in my charge.

and thusly we come to the philosophical core of my ill-conceived joke from earlier on. how can a member of a society be /truly/ free if that society indoctrinates one and only one way for its function? no man is free if he has no choice in his vocation, no matter how much he is paid.

and please do understand, i do not make this statement as a provocation or a challenge.

it is my fervent belief that every man, regardless of nation, station or birth, has the fundamental /right/ to choose where to direct his own path. it is then his /responsibility/ to deal with the obstacles there and the consequences of his actions.

yes, i realize that these are all absurd over-generalizations. and yes, i also realize that these arguments butt right up to the 'can a man ever be truly free?' question. i fully realize the folly of the first and overwhelmingly-negative answer for the second.

i guess it all comes down to one very basic idea: freedom is a clarity of vision, a choice, and a struggle. It is not a state of being

Verin, you need to come out of that hole and take a look around a bit more. People like me are no longer even slightly outraged at working with the Federation, since the major sticking point against it was removed.

And I've been brutally honest about why I'm okay with working for Her Imperial Majesty.

People like you, little brother, are in the minority.

You're a capsuleer, remember. By definition, you've already chosen to step outside the mainstream of Caldari thought and behaviour. Any statements made by any of us on the thrust of general Caldari opinion must be considered as very well-informed speculation at best.

And I agree with you.
Those, who want to be truly free, can do this by going into woods and run around naked with wild animals like a wild animal. When peoples are smart, they choose the civilization instead of the freedom.


And my belief that only the Maker can decide the paths. We have our own fates and destinies, you can't decide just what you want, you can only decide between right and wrong. And if you are choosing wise and bravely, then your path will lead you to the helping to others and greater good. Or you are choosing wrong and cowardly, and you will end covering yourself in disgrace.


I can't agree, however, with this idea, because clarity of a vision is ability of your mind and it doesn't depend on limitations or absence of limitations that freedom or lack of it can impose onto you. And speaking about freedom and lack of it, with clear vision you will have an ability to estimate profit you gain from freedom and compare it to profit you will gain without freedom, and you will be able to make a decision based on which path is greater for the society, or which is better for you.

A choice... a choice isn't a quality of a freedom as well, because you always have a choice. For example, killing yourself or staying alive, if you disgrace yourself. Violating the law and getting consequences, or following the strict rule, that you aren't agree with. All our actions and decisions are choices, with freedom or without. Even to live free or to live civilized, is a choice you can make any time and any moment. And if some are forced to live in environment they don't want, they again has a choice to living in this environment... or finishing with their lives once and forever.

The struggle is again present both with freedom and without. With freedom you will struggle against everyone, to get a piece of food, a place to sleep, or just for whatever you want and others have it. Without freedom, you will struggle for those you love, for the society, for the greater good. You will struggle because it will be a right thing to do, you will struggle to protect others and to create better future for your children. Without poverty, chaos and freedom.

Okay, so far I was saying what qualities are not freedom. What I consider is freedom, are these ideas: lack of laws, lack of morals, lack of friends, lack of love, lack of superiors, lack of teachers, lack of compassion, and finally, lack of any possessions.