EVE General Discussion

Or, actions have consequences. Eve isn't meant to be a theme park as you would seem to believe.

It's certainly one more nail in the sandbox's coffin, which is why I am uneasy about it.

Each nail in the sandbox is yet another birth pain for the theme park.

Most people who are supporting the removal of the clone costs are doing so as a result of their own self interest. Null bears and F1 monkeys mostly.

So far, I have seen to main arguments on how clones are useless in providing any meaningful content.

- Clones are so cheap they just become an annoyance.
- clones are so expensive they become a detrimental factor in deciding whether to undock or not

So on both ends of the spectrum you see it providing no meaningful content, and on the flipside, having a negative impact on content. In a worst case scenario, it makes people want to risk less. Its not because nobody wants to pay isk for it, but why do it? Why pour isk into something that provides no benefit? Why would you fit an expensive module on your ship if it did absolutely nothing, aside from keeping your ship from prematurely exploding? Theres nothing to be gained by spending more on it, but something to be lost by spending less on it. It doesnt even follow the rule of diminishing returns like everything else. There is a set point for each person where it either works, or it doesnt. Its annoyingly binary.

Simply put, it reduces the amount of 'fun' risk pilots are willing to take and provides no 'fun' gameplay in return. Getting rid of clone costs offers otions to replace it with a better system later, as has been mentioned.

E: do we really want a mechanic that discourages risk for higher SP characters? Don't we want them undocked and shootable? Don't we want them risking real assets in space more often? Clone costs do not help that in any way. Not to mention it doesnt even remotely follow risk vs reward, which the actual risk situation eve should encourage.

I disagree. In other MMO's where one had a choice as to if they wanted to play in a PVP or straight PVE shard, I always chose PVP even if I wasnt wild about that game's PVP. This is because, to me, half the damn fun of playing is having to watch your back, a constant threat of danger and loss!

I keep 4 rather expensive clones, and 1 empty. The empty is for wild shenanigans in null, the others are optimized for certain ships. I make a "meaningful decision" with real consequences to my gameplay just about every day as I decide whether to jump into another clone and which one.

Like I said, removing the element of danger is removing part of the fun!

Ive been in Low sec and null its boring in its present state dont believe the hypehttp://www.gamespot.com/articles/this-amazing-eve-online-trailer-shows-why-the-mmo-/1100-6423766/ its time for the old guard to adapt to the New Order! Change is Coming Like it or not! The Only Fun I get playing Eve now is Logging into My skill Que and now That I have Unlimited just que up log out and come back in 10 years.

Well said.

This is an awful idea.
Clones are currently a dead mechanic from when ISK was not plentiful and there were much less skills.


Scale clones to the current game.

Don't upgrade your clone? Your next pod death == your character is dead FOREVER

It would be nice if we had some further comments on this from CCP as to the value of our feedback thus far.

I'm not opposed to a change of game mechanic around clones as long as death hurts you in some way or another.

After all if i fire some projectile ammo through your pod forcing your consciousness to wake up in a new body light years away in an instant, iI'd say that it was the perfect representation of a nasty experience...

to make that meaninglessness is in opposition to the very core of the values of Eve Online and it's community.

I don't want to see the equivalent of cod re spawn points being set up in our beautiful sandbox.

Make death meaningful, I don't care how CCP do it, let death keep its sting.

Originally I was strong pro removing death penalties as planed and I'm still pro removing the clone grades ... but as I'm PvPing in empty clones most of the time, I will much less care about my pod, I would even welcome the fast trip home to hop into the next ship. Hence clone death and kills become meaningless ... which I think is not a good situation in the long run. Somewhere I read a proposal which I think would well fit as a replacement death penalty, lock one or more of your skills temporarily, so you can still play but are handicapped for a time.

do you mean empty as in implants or as in clone upgrades