Wormholes

You are new to data sites if you're getting excited about a Jump Drive BPC. Might be worth it in a WH, but not a very profitable item to manufacture. Blueprint Profit Calculator

Question: Do null relic/data cans explode if you fail the hack on them?

And to the OP: these sites can be worth it to hack. A few ppl in my corp have said they have made a few hundred million running these recently.

The sites are worth running, if you're already going to be scanning the system out anyway, or really even if you're searching out low-class WH's for this purpose.

The best way to min/max the sites is this:
1. Cargo scan the containers
2. Record cans with loot worth hacking (use evepraisal or something)
3. Hack cans you deem worthy
4. Profit.

I wouldn't bother clearing the sites, unless you're using the materials for indy stuff personally and it's convenient. If you're just in it for the isk, then the relic sites are the only ones that will give you solid day-to-day isk. You can easily find single cans with 20m+ worth of salvage in them, and if you find several of these in the same area, the isk/hr is quite excellent.

Data sites sometimes spawn expensive BPC's, but the general loot in them is of meager value, and is relatively large to be carried by a covops. They're still worth probing/cargo scanning though, in case you get a faction tower BPC worth a bil.

Last night was such a crazy mix of success, fear, and idiocy that I don't really know where to start. When in doubt, go chronological I guess...

It's Friday night, about 6:00 local time, and I've just arrived home from work. My wife isn't home yet so I figure I'll login and start scanning, to get ahead of things for the weekend. My sig clearing efforts the night before seem to have worked, there were around 10 signatures in system. As I begin working on them my wife calls, she wants me to put a pot of potatoes on the stove and stir them every 15 minutes until she gets home. No big deal, I can handle that while I scan. The first 4 wormholes weren't a surprise, I almost always have at least 4. After stirring the potatoes for the first time I continued scanning, only to find a fifth wormhole. Still nothing exciting, two were my statics, one was a frigate hole, and the other two were a C2 and a dangerous w-space connection.

The rest were mostly gas sites, and I started ignoring them, and then got down to the last two signatures. Oh yeah, potatoes, so I run back upstairs and they are about to boil over. I turn them down, stir them, and then my wife walks in the door. So I hand over the cooking to her and head back downstairs. The second to last sig is being a pain, it must be something good. Sure enough, it's a wormhole to low sec. Score! That's the first real exit I've been online to see since the one I moved in through. But just like last time there is a catch, it is "reaching the end of it's natural lifetime." So I sat there at range to the hole trying to decide if I wanted to risk getting stuck outside just to move out some loot and bring in more ice products.

I kept getting interrupted and having to walk away so my ship was just flying away from the hole, cloaked, to avoid sitting in one spot. Shortly after I returned I was about 337km from the hole and a Retriever appeared on the overview, at the hole. I couldn't tell if he warped in or jumped in. D-scan didn't give me any warning, and it was about that time I noticed it had been left set on 60 degree scan, and I was facing away from the rest of the system. Dumbass! Oh well, better to find out now than lose a ship from it. The Retriever jumped out, best I could tell, I bounced around the system and didn't find him anywhere else. Oh well, a target would have been nice, but I have more pressing issues to deal with, like selling loot and getting stuff to make fuel.

At this point I said screw it, I'm going. I warped back to the low sec exit and jumped, to find it led to Korridi in Genesis, two jumps from high sec. Three jumps past that was Pashanai, where I could get Hydrogen Isotopes and a few other things I needed. Still worried about getting trapped outside, I proceeded with the plan. I returned to my WH and my POS, grabbed the Prowler, loaded up everything I wanted to take out, and made the run. Jumping out in the Prowler, you would think, would be the most stressful moment of the night. Now you are committed, you have to hurry and you still might not make it back in time. That's what you would think, but the night would prove that this jump, this time, was not the most stressful one.

The run itself went pretty smoothly. I'm pretty comfortable just leaving loot spread out all over high sec, if it's not something I can sell right away to make ISK. So I sold the Melted Nanoribbons and Robotics and left the rest there, including some spare scanner probes I forgot were in my hold. Whatever, I have plenty more, but still... dumbass. Freshly loaded with ice products I prepared to head back. But let me pause there and give you a bit of back story.

Before I moved in I tried to get as caught up on EVE as I could. I've missed a lot the last few years, including the addition of Scanning Upgrade Modules. Yes, I started this adventure without any, though my CovOp's do have Sister's Expanded Scanners and Gravity Capacitor Rigs. While I was out I figured I'd pick some up, but not much was available close by. I grabbed two Rangefinders that were in system and headed back. I'll have to get more later.

The way back was pretty stressful, it's never fun racing against a timer you can't see. But I made it back in time, the hole was there in space when I landed. I jumped through and warped to the POS. My heart went back to a normal rate and I was pretty happy with how things had gone. But the night was not over...

(Continued)

Ok, first things first...

Get a few scanning alts in there because if you get your characters podded you could have an awful time getting back in.

When scouting holes for habitation, always have a site up that can give you info on statics, pi, and killboard api's. Or just use wormholesales to find a particular type of hole you're looking for. If you have the isk, you can move right into a hole with transferable towers, poco's, and caps.

I probably missed it somewhere in this thread but when you scan bookmark each signal I usually have a folder for WHs and a folder for sites in my wh, record each and every signature with the name of the site ie THF-123 Trinary hub or whatever, then when you scan next day just ignore signatures still there from the day before
Was great that CCP changed it to keep same signature for the life of the site.

Nice read. I am just now comeing back from a break (although a shoter one) myself and it is good to see a new to WH persons prespective on things.

If I run into and recognize the name I promise to decloak and say BOO instead of decloak and blow you up :P

Couple general WH points that you might know or that I missed you talking about but are important when living here.

Never assume a WH is closed. You log in and scan allways assume someone else has scanned and warped to that WH and it is open.

When looking for routes to sell / buy it is a good idea to scan out your NS static ... you never know it might have a c2 connection hat has a HS in it.

Allways look up the static info of the WH you are scanning through. If you are only looking for a way out it saves a lot on time to know if that C4 has another C4 static or maybe another C2 that could lead to HS.

ordinary gas clouds have guns :P

If the POCO owners POS is a dead stick they might have quit and this might not work but you can allways send the CEO a mail asking if he wants to sell the POCOs to you. Much easier then blowing them up on your own.

You CAN blow up POCOs with just you and alts ... but man is it boring and risky. Someone can jump into your system and be on grid with you in under 90 sec. You can also pay mercs to come blow them up for you .. although that can be expensive.

That's all that I can think of off hand. IF you have any WH questions you can hit me up in game. Also, the WH public channel has less ass hats then you might think and you get good responses to questions in there.

I don't know if I ever mentioned it, but my original goal for this adventure, besides not failing miserably and losing everything, was to get into a T3 Cruiser. I mean sure I could have done that with the money I spent on this adventure, but then I wouldn't have had anything to use it for. Getting one to run L4 missions seemed pointless, as I would have been just boring myself to death trying to get a better ship to bore myself to death in.

When I started this game back in 2006 I was envious of those L4 mission runners in their Ravens and Dominixs, making big money, living what seemed like the dream. I quickly got involved with an alliance that lived in Low Sec and found other things to be envious of, like people that could afford those same ships, but for PvP instead of missions. I was still in a Rifter, barely being able to afford the Thrashers I had just moved up to. With that group I progressed from a broke frigate pilot in low sec to a broke battlecruiser pilot in NPC null and eventually a broke T2 cruiser pilot in sov null shooting the good rats. Still broke most of the time, I ratted in a Rupture, taking down even the 1.8m ISK rats in this hybrid speed/armor tanking cruiser. Only broke because I wanted shiny PvP ships and often got them blown up, sometimes nobly and other times stupidly.

When that era ended for me, with our alliance losing it's sov, and the splinter I stayed with going back to low sec, I got more broke again. Sometimes we'd end up back in NPC null or in FacWar before it was really profitable. Eventually most retired or moved on, and I continued the same cycle with friends of the friends who had retired. When those friends eventually got into the sov game I stayed in high sec, because I couldn't make the time commitment like I could in the old days. This is when I realized I needed L4 missions to be anything but broke and when EVE started to get boring, leading to long breaks from the game.

It wasn't so bad at first because I trained Gallente Battleship 5 and Dominixed those mission's brains out. Once I had T2 Sentries things were pretty good, just really repetitive. Then while I was off on a break they changed mission rat AI to be more likely to attack drones. The result was that it became really annoying to mission in a Dominix, and so I fell back to a Raven, which I had been building with reprocessed mission loot anyway. Missioning in a Raven is slower and more risky so I did it long enough to find a replacement. Given the choice between a T3, a Rattlesnake or a Scorpion Navy Issue I went with the Scorpion. The Rattlesnake seemed like it would have all the issues of the Dominix but with additional missile DPS, and the T3 seemed like a waste of a good ship on a boring activity The Scorpion was basically a Raven with an actual non-**** tank, and made a good replacement. If this wormhole idea blew up in my face I needed to have a solid option to fall back on to earn isk.

Four paragraphs in and I realize none of this is really what this post was supposed to be about, but I like telling old stories and I miss the old days flying with BRUCE. They shaped what I have become in EVE today. But really the point was to explain my original goal, which you now know is to get into a T3 and use it for something non-boring.

That Dominix that I used to mission in is the one I had planned to bring into the WH. I just couldn't bring myself to repackage and sell it when it became lame for missions. But now I'm scrapping that and returning to the original T3 goal. As Trinket suggested, I should be ratting in null when the opportunity presents itself and this would be much better in a T3. While I'd like to use a T3 for PvP that will have to come later when the ISK is flowing like water. As a solo PvP'er who isn't notable for his skills in this area, I'd hate to lose my first one on the first trip out to what would likely be my own mistake.

So that's goal #1 at the moment, bumping fuel down to goal #2. I'm confident that my ability to maintain the tower at this point is sufficient and that as I streamline things I can make that secondary and focus on other goals. Beyond that there are a few other goals.

With Rhea coming soon and Shattered Wormholes showing up I need to prepare for this. Part of that will be assessing the impact on traffic from these new connections. But also I will have to think about Ice, should I bother with trying to mine it? Making fuel without ever leaving the hole would be wonderful, but since I have to leave anyway to sell stuff and wouldn't have much else to haul in it might not be the smart way to go. I'll be researching this over the next few days.

The only other goal I'm ready to set is getting a Research Array setup, as mentioned in a previous post. This might even get a higher priority than the T3, I'm still thinking about that. Maximizing fuel efficiency is important and getting a better return on making ammo would be nice. After that the array might be useless but could be stored or hauled out depending on other factors.

I really thought I'd have more goals than this at this point, but it's better to keep it simple. I don't multitask well and shifting focus can be hard. I spent too much time thinking about PI this month, to the detriment of the amount of ISK I could have earned. Not because PI wasn't important, but because I can get lost in thought and waste time, even when logged in. So maybe that's a last goal for the next month, better time management. With that said, my boss just informed me that we're making a half-day out of today since the customers aren't calling and are probably on vacation themselves. So I'll be out of here in the next hour and will try to manage to use my time to do anything productive when I get home. If I focus real hard on wanting a T3 I think I can do it, run those sites over and over again that is. Fly safe and have a good weekend!

D-scan was hit or miss for a while. I never saw the battleships again but an occasional CovOps would show up. I was getting restless. There was one mostly dead sleeper left in that site preventing me from looting it. I was no longer on scan at this point, having jumped into my CovOps and cloaked up. Warping around the system things seemed quiet again, so I decided to try again. I got back into the Drake and warped to the site. Upon landing I aligned back to the POS, hit the sleeper with everything I had and got out of there when he popped.

Then it was into the Magnate to loot and salvage. I warped back to the wreck I had bookmarked and got to work. A few wrecks in and d-scan got active again. First a CovOps, so I ignored it for a moment, then a Purifier. That was enough for me, I warped back to the POS with about 4m looted so far. Again I switched out to my CovOps and warped around the system. All this time thinking all these ships I'd seen were involved in something else and my wormhole was just the route between them. When things went quiet for a few minutes again I figured I'd finish up that site.

So it was back into the Magnate, dropping the loot I had so far in a jet can. And then I warped back to the site, landing over 30km from any wrecks. I started approaching one with the AB on and hit d-scan, to see a Crow appear. It's hard to jump around the UI and take everything in all at once, so I didn't, I just tried to warp. The Crow must have been landing when I saw him on scan, because he caught me before I could warp. I'm still not sure if the Bombers were cloaked up in the site or if they warped in too, it all happened so fast.

I had no weapons or tank, so it was over pretty quickly. No bombs, just the Crow with LML's and the Bombers with Torps. Almost forgetting my training, my brain screamed "get your pod out now!" And so I did, back to the POS. I don't know if they let my pod live or if I warped fast enough, I was just happy to have made it out. Jumping back into the CovOps I hid for a while. Nothing was said in local, by them or me. Normally I toss out a "gf" but it seemed out of place in a situation where I wasn't armed. At this point I sat cloaked for a while and read the forums and goofed around on the internet. Eventually I went back to the POS, and fit up a Heron to replace the Magnate since I didn't have any more spares of that hull.

Taking one more look at the site in a CovOps, it was no longer a site, just wrecks in space. I decided the loot left in the site was worth it and I headed back in the Heron. The attackers had looted my wreck, lucky buggers got my 1MN afterburner, and they took one sleeper frigate's loot too. That's cool, no hard feelings, it's my fault I didn't bring in more small afterburners, not theirs. I finished looting and salvaging, getting about another 8m ISK worth, and warped back to the POS. That was it for the day, I had shell shock and couldn't commit to running anything more. Mainly I was hoping whatever connection brought them to me would close before I logged on again. All in all though it could have been much worse.

Sunday ended up being another day I didn't log in. I had planned to, but about the time I got to the computer my son was getting home from Grandma's and he wanted to play Minecraft. So we dove into the land of blocks and low res textures and fought the forces of evil. Well we mined and made torches, but that's kind of like fighting evil right?

Does this mean you are not using a mobile tractor unit while you run sites?

if not then i would recommend you do, drop it when you first get into the site and it will hoover up the blueloot while you kill the sleepers. If you see something on d-scan (and you are close enough to the MTU) then you can scoop the loot and MTU before you warp.

It will also mean that your wrecks will all be in one nice little heap when you come back to salvage, so you can just bookmark a wreck and warp back to them. I would also suggest investing in a salage destroyer; with T1 salvage rigs they are probably <10 mill and make salvaging very fast.