Ships & Modules

I will be buying a Machariel soon for incursions, I have been running lvl4's with my Dominix. But I'm getting a bit bored by it and I just wanna try Machariel for lvl4's as well, for the funs.

Now, I looked around a bit. And it seems the older fits is about fitting it with autocannons and shield tank.
Obviously with the shield bonus.

HOWEVER, I am mainly armor skilled. I can use T2 armor and got decent skills in it, while my shield skills are quite crappy (I'm pretty low SP char, just 7M).

So my main question is:
Any advice on good Machariel fittings, preferably with armor tank.
Whats better, artillery sniper or autocannons? I dont mind controlling the ship actively.



Any good examples would be very welcome! :)

+1 Chainsaw the armor macharial is very good, a bit lighter on tank but it got much more tracking and range depending on how you script your TCs.

[Machariel, L4 armor]
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Core B-Type Large Armor Repairer

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Fusion L
Large Remote Armor Repairer II

Large Projectile Metastasis Adjuster II
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Large Dynamic Fuel Valve I

Garde II x4
Hobgoblin II x1
Hobgoblin II x4

You probably want to use a cap booster like in Chainsaws fitting with lower skills. Also the dynamic full Valve is from before the pirate BS and mwd rebalancing, you are probably better off with a warp speed rig instead nowadays if you blitz or a targeting system sub controller to lock frigs faster if you play normally.

The AC version is normally considered better by the higher dps and tracking, the artillery mach isn't bad, but combining the high speed of the mach with the massive range of auto cannons on it and the much better ability to dispatch lots of frigs and cruisers in record speed by the higher tracking and rate of fire most people prefer the ACs on it.

If you fly it properly, quite well. I used to do buzzkill without ever using drones when I ran missions in an armor Mach.

Hey guys, thanks for the response so far. I really liked Chainsaw fit, will use it with some minor tweaks (mainly costs).





Yeah this sold me for AC.

Could you answer one most important question: what is maximum effective shooting range of Machariel armed with 800 mm autocannons against NPCs in level 4 missions??? I do not know how close get to enemy ships.

This depends entirely on how fast you want to kill the rats and how ballsy you are multiplied by how strong your tank is. The Mach is a beast that requires a certain degree of finesse and experience to really fly well.

Pretty much this. When fitting autocannons to a Machariel, the term "short-range" becomes very subjective. You can one shot frigates out to around 75-80 km. Farther if you switch to range scripts until they get close enough that you need the extra tracking.

And while I agree with Baltec on the uses of T1 ammo, if you're shooting the frigs at range, using Barrage offers you a good tradeoff of lower tracking (generally not needed since they'll pretty much fly straight at you until they reach their orbit range), for even greater range (1.5x bonus to falloff).

With the proper skills, fitting, scripts, and ammunition, you can blap small stuff at 100km - though you won't do much more than scrath the larger ships, so it pays to keep several ammo types and scripts on board for switching as needed.

You can go mostly T2 and still handle the hardest missions in the game in an appropriately-fit Machariel. I've run a ton of L4 missions in a fit very similar to this one. Despite the modest hit to efficiency, a Damage Control has saved my ship both when I was overconfident and under-skilled, as well as helped me survive one gank attempt (on an alt; you won't find it in this character's history because he's not Minmatar-skilled like, at all). 100% worth it for me, because I don't think in terms of ISK/hour but instead in terms of "I never want a fail-fit on a lossmail".

Fairly cheap fit: right around 900M ISK in Jita prices as of this writing. Cheaper than the Vargur the character is fully-skilled for, and if my goal is blitzing for LP instead of looting/salvaging, much faster at the job. Don't be afraid of the C-type repper or faction gyrostabilizers; both are pretty cheap now, and if you can afford the hull you can afford a few mods to maximize your performance.

The skills for this mission boat transfer beautifully to the Vargur once you have Minmatar Battleship 5, and the Vargur is simply easy-mode hisec missioning. Income is very comparable to the Machariel if you loot the field... but it's a different experience. I recommend having one of each in the hangar because the variety is fun :-)

(Note: the anti-em rigt is because I tend to mission in Amarr space. I like not having to refit for specific missions, and the tank/gank is more than about anything can throw at me in hisec. Replace it with a warp speed rig if you're blitzing outside Sansha/Blood Raider space.)

[Machariel, L4 Blitz]

Damage Control II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Pith C-Type X-Large Shield Booster
100MN Afterburner II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Small Tractor Beam II

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator II
[Empty Rig slot]


Gecko x1
Federation Navy Ogre x1
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Warrior II x5

So are 1400s out of vogue for the Mach? I've been polishing off Large Projectile for this hull, and I figured I was going to go for Artillery. I remember that being "the thing" for the Machariel but all the newer fits seem to favor autocannons, why is that?

That's about how long it's been since I thought about projectiles. :)

I've actually looked at my standings, and the Minmatar really, really don't like me. Would training to T2 ACs even be worth it if I'm more likely to fly in Amarr or Caldari space?