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A prison with no walls and no chains.

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Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#1 - 2014-11-22 09:33:03 UTC
We all feel it. We all know what it is. We all fear it and love it with equal measure.

Freedom to act, freedom to move, freedom to say what we choose. We are "immortal" Capsuleers, free of ties and free to choose our fate. What do we do with this freedom? We act in our own self interest. We manipulate, we take, we destroy. We see others as enemies, as competition, as prey. We band together in loose-knit groups for common defense. When we feel safe, when our core requirements are met, we begin to make friendships. But even then it is hollow.

We do not have true freedom. We are prisoners of our own nature.

Some suggest that we need to become something more in order to change. That's not the answer though. If we become something more but our aggressive and fearful nature is not changed, we simply create a larger problem. We compound a problem that needs fixed now.

This is the most inevitable truth of our existence; we are a danger to ourselves and others until we can overcome our nature as an aggressive species. This is not something that technology or genetic manipulation or blind faith will solve. It is not something that can be dictated by law or sold by corporations. It is something that we must realize in ourselves. It is a change of thought and behavior, a conscious decision, and one that must be cultivated once made.

Empires are forged in fire and blood, but can we create something greater?

Can we truly be free?
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#2 - 2014-11-22 09:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
We all feel it. We all know what it is. We all fear it and love it with equal measure.

Freedom to act, freedom to move, freedom to say what we choose. We are "immortal" Capsuleers, free of ties and free to choose our fate. What do we do with this freedom? We act in our own self interest. We manipulate, we take, we destroy. We see others as enemies, as competition, as prey. We band together in loose-knit groups for common defense. When we feel safe, when our core requirements are met, we begin to make friendships. But even then it is hollow.

We do not have true freedom. We are prisoners of our own nature.

Some suggest that we need to become something more in order to change. That's not the answer though. If we become something more but our aggressive and fearful nature is not changed, we simply create a larger problem. We compound a problem that needs fixed now.

This is the most inevitable truth of our existence; we are a danger to ourselves and others until we can overcome our nature as an aggressive species. This is not something that technology or genetic manipulation or blind faith will solve. It is not something that can be dictated by law or sold by corporations. It is something that we must realize in ourselves. It is a change of thought and behavior, a conscious decision, and one that must be cultivated once made.

Empires are forged in fire and blood, but can we create something greater?

Can we truly be free?



Capsuleer, Know thyself, rise above the animal within, cultivate the great within you, you are made of the Stars, fly like one amongst them.

Let us say to ourselves, this is our path, Shine bright, shine for all eternity, and lighten the darkness around us.

We have received the gift of the Gods, let us honour it.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#3 - 2014-11-22 10:43:44 UTC
Freedom is a different concept to us all.

An Amarrian will find spiritual freedom deep in his prayers, whilst a Gallentean will campaign fiercely to enshrine it in legislation.
A Thukker and a Sebiestor will find different meanings in the word and their cultures are very different in reflecting it.
I'm not even going to attempt to get my head around what the transhumanist's take on it is. I'm sure one of them will be along soon to enlighten us.

To attempt to answer the question, though; I believe I am free enough.

(Philosophical debates are great fun, and can be enhanced through small doses of X-Instinct! Contact me if you want to try some!)

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master

Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#4 - 2014-11-22 11:36:47 UTC
No.

Next?

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis 

Swirler
DELAINEN SYNDICATE
#5 - 2014-11-22 11:41:30 UTC
Can I get my 5 minutes back from this useless thread?

You are totally wrong. Nature can be changed through genetic manipulation: Over aggressive, turn down the genes that make too much testosterone; , homosexual, correct the defective gene that unbalances the chromosomes; cancer run in your family - get rid of the cancer gene; and on and on.

Human nature starts at the same place all nature starts at, stupid, driven by survival instincts, nothing more. We used to gather plants to survive, then we noticed animals kill other animals to survive, so we gave it a try, and now we kill each other.

The only way to evolve beyond the prison of nature, is through human science selectively applied to our genes to root out the bad genes that make us kill and destroy to survive, and replace them with the ones that lead us to work together as a social unit to survive.

The day is not far off thankfully, we might just survive as a species, if we can improve ourselves through our thoughts and science.
Jade Blackwind
#6 - 2014-11-22 11:43:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Blackwind
Hey, Jovians already did that!
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#7 - 2014-11-22 14:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Hey, Jovians already did that!


And look how that turned out! Extremely advanced society, yet going extinct by deep depression!

Think I'll take my primitive society with all the flaws that come with emotion, because to live, you have to feel life!

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

Jade Blackwind
#8 - 2014-11-22 16:15:53 UTC
Jandice Ymladris wrote:
Jade Blackwind wrote:
Hey, Jovians already did that!


And look how that turned out!
Exactly.
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#9 - 2014-11-22 16:59:59 UTC
OP sounds familiar but I just can't figure out why.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#10 - 2014-11-22 17:11:00 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
This is not something that technology or genetic manipulation or blind faith will solve. It is not something that can be dictated by law or sold by corporations. It is something that we must realize in ourselves. It is a change of thought and behavior, a conscious decision, and one that must be cultivated once made.


You discount faith, and yet changing and cultivating this thought and behavior is one of the key purposes of faith.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-11-22 17:52:39 UTC
No walls and no chains?

Man, sounds super boring.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#12 - 2014-11-22 19:52:03 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
OP sounds familiar but I just can't figure out why.


If I was a gambling woman, I'd place money on the OP being someone who has read all the writings of Nikilaiki Ruutarhara, and has adopted or adapted many of the ideas contained within.

But I don't gamble. Gambling is a sin.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Sera Kor-Azor
Amarrian Mission of the Sacred Word
#13 - 2014-11-23 00:02:08 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Evi Polevhia wrote:
OP sounds familiar but I just can't figure out why.


If I was a gambling woman, I'd place money on the OP being someone who has read all the writings of Nikilaiki Ruutarhara, and has adopted or adapted many of the ideas contained within.

But I don't gamble. Gambling is a sin.


Gambling is also chance based.

"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.

Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#14 - 2014-11-23 00:57:24 UTC
We're a young species, barely out of the trees in evolutionary terms. We can do so much better, and build so much greater then we have. Its simply a question of can we survive ourselves until we reach that better place?

And hello Nikiruu. Its been a while.
Deceiver's Echo
Imperial Rite Mission Rens
#15 - 2014-11-23 06:14:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Deceiver's Echo
Saede Riordan wrote:
Nikiruu

>>ID: Riordan, Saede
>>Key: Nikiruu
>>Accepted
>>Override Authorization: ADMIN 426

>>She didn't see me either. Not for who I really am.

>>Begin Audio Log<<
1 Hello. It has been a long time. Have you seen my paints? I think I left them in Mabnen. I can't be certain that they're gone--

2 Please, we're attempting to finish a task here Nikilaiki.

1 That's not my name. But you're right. The energy source for the network needs to be stable, long-lived and able to generate high levels of energy throughout the life of the network. You're looking at something that is intended to outlive it's creators.

2 Yes, you've mentioned that. How would you solve the problem?

1 "Star, star, far away; far away but not astray. Twinkling like a bloated pearl, upon a string, briefly to shine then die, die away.

2 Stars... like Seyllin.

1 Yes, of course! But you think too small, petty little man. Think bigger... networks, not network. Hubs, not hub. Layers upon layers, without walls nor chains, but they are chains. Pretty chains. Chains for all the universe to admire. Power beyond belief, you see. Harnessing the stars themselves. It's what they're really after, you know. All these squabbling, headless Empires. Pretty, pretty, star of mine, blown away and just in time. Bash the castles, tear down the walls--

2 I see. I think we're done for now. Guards?

1 Oh, now... why did you have to say that?

>>End Audio Log<<
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-11-23 06:28:57 UTC


We are what we are, and you will be surprised what you can live with for eternity.


The greatest hazard of a Capsuleer's freedom is that nothing prevents them from becoming the monster they themselves abhor. We have the capacity to be in perpetual denial of being the monster, or accept and embrace the darkness like a lover. But it would be a rare Capsuleer indeed who shows restraint because it is in their nature. Restraint through indoctrination is a crutch, but perhaps not an ineffective one.

Call me Joe.

Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-11-23 06:33:59 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
We're a young species, barely out of the trees in evolutionary terms. We can do so much better, and build so much greater then we have. Its simply a question of can we survive ourselves until we reach that better place?


Survival is not a challenge. Short of the proverbial asteroid that vaporizes our atmosphere, living things will always survive their excesses and vices. Life will limp on endlessly in its own filth.


It is life itself, Capsuleers in this case, who must decide to aspire to a higher truth. Neither extinction nor death will rescue us from this decision.

Call me Joe.

Rhavas
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#18 - 2014-11-23 08:39:52 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:


1 The energy source for the network needs to be stable, long-lived and able to generate high levels of energy throughout the life of the network. You're looking at something that is intended to outlive it's creators.

2 Yes, you've mentioned that. How would you solve the problem?

1 "Star, star, far away; far away but not astray. Twinkling like a bloated pearl, upon a string, briefly to shine then die, die away.

2 Stars... like Seyllin.

1 Yes, of course! But you think too small, petty little man. Think bigger... networks, not network. Hubs, not hub. Layers upon layers, without walls nor chains, but they are chains. Pretty chains. Chains for all the universe to admire. Power beyond belief, you see. Harnessing the stars themselves. It's what they're really after, you know. All these squabbling, headless Empires. Pretty, pretty, star of mine, blown away and just in time. Bash the castles, tear down the walls--


Yes, this.

Author of Interstellar Privateer Shattered Planets, Wormholes and Game Commentary

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-11-23 11:08:17 UTC
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
We all feel it. We all know what it is. We all fear it and love it with equal measure.

Freedom to act, freedom to move, freedom to say what we choose.

We have none.
We don't have freedom to act, as there are limitations of CONCORD, even if you don't follow all the laws.
We don't have freedom to move, again as a limitations set by CONCORD
And we have no freedom to say what we choose, because.... yes, because CONCORD, they can call off your license if you say too many things that CONCORD won't approve.

Deceiver's Echo wrote:
We are "immortal" Capsuleers, free of ties and free to choose our fate. What do we do with this freedom? We act in our own self interest. We manipulate, we take, we destroy. We see others as enemies, as competition, as prey. We band together in loose-knit groups for common defense. When we feel safe, when our core requirements are met, we begin to make friendships. But even then it is hollow.

We do not have true freedom. We are prisoners of our own nature.

And GOOD RIDDANCE, as the freedom is the most disgusting stinking and inhumanly cruel concept ever developed by civilization.

Deceiver's Echo wrote:

Some suggest that we need to become something more in order to change. That's not the answer though. If we become something more but our aggressive and fearful nature is not changed, we simply create a larger problem. We compound a problem that needs fixed now.

This is the most inevitable truth of our existence; we are a danger to ourselves and others until we can overcome our nature as an aggressive species. This is not something that technology or genetic manipulation or blind faith will solve. It is not something that can be dictated by law or sold by corporations. It is something that we must realize in ourselves. It is a change of thought and behavior, a conscious decision, and one that must be cultivated once made.

Empires are forged in fire and blood, but can we create something greater?

We can become something greater, as we destroy all those, who are trying to bring freedom into our worlds.

Deceiver's Echo wrote:
Can we truly be free?

Of course. All you need for this, is to land on some indigenous wild life planet, leave all your posessions and clothes behind in your shuttle, then blow up this shuttle, and run into woods naked, to live with animals LIKE AN ANIMAL. Free.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

DutchGunner
Circle of Abyss
Wicked Angels.
#20 - 2014-11-23 12:20:59 UTC
Greetings,

Capsuleers have only one person they need to report to and that's themselves. We are just like any non-capsuleer that has been born. We need to find our own path and choose path we will take and how we will travel it.

Rather you are born Amarr, Caldari, Gallente or Minmatar you will encounter rules that state that certain actions will have certain consequences (either as reward or punishment). Some choose to take a path of destructions and others to create or aid.

There is no such thing as a single trait that applies to everyone. We capsuleers are capable of great destruction but also of construction and aid and kindness. We choose the path that suits us best, if only for a period of time.

Regards,

DutchGunner
CONCORD Loyalist
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