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CCP time to fix the amount you can zoom away from your ship

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BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#21 - 2014-11-22 06:46:41 UTC
Nah - I have to disagree.

Zoom out represents the ability for every captain to have a tactical overlay of the battlespace. It is common for ship commanders to have this in a command control room and is not illogical that these ships would have a real time representation of a wide view of the field as it is currently expressed.

The current zoom structure is conducive to a fleet battle scenario.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-11-22 07:05:00 UTC
ZOOM TOO STRONK!! NERF MAZDA!!

ALSO, HEIL SANSHA!!!

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Char Aznobel
Remnants Of Zeon
#23 - 2014-11-22 08:02:37 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Every competitive game has a limited zoom in order to create a competitive environment where position and environmental awareness are very important.


And why do you think you can only zoom out so far? You just answered your own question, although I can see how shooting asteroids in a 50km radius doesn't seem to do it justice.

However, if you ever learn to actually play the game you will find the tactical overlay and generous zoom feature to be quite beneficial, either that or wonder why you can't ever win/escape an engagement.

goodluck!
Meso Sewp
Fictitious Fantasy Foundation
#24 - 2014-11-22 08:22:33 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
I can assure you that new players and stupid people find out how much you can zoom out in this game are completely put off. It feels like a feature I don't understand, and I don't like things I don't understand.


Life is tough.
SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#25 - 2014-11-22 09:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSaft
I literally used the whole range yesterday for tactical purposes, I think you're doing it wrong OP.
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#26 - 2014-11-22 09:10:43 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Well at least its a whine post I haven't seen before.

Roll


I think never would be a word to use here but well always something new in GD. P
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-11-22 09:53:11 UTC
With the right skills and fit you can shoot out as far as 250km.

Just saying.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#28 - 2014-11-22 09:58:27 UTC
Damn right it is unrealistic. In the distant future with the kind of technology we could have, we would get an automated dscan and automated probing system, with zoom able to going out much further than it does presently. It's a good job that CCP limit it in the manner they do!
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#29 - 2014-11-22 10:16:14 UTC
I remember a time you could zoom even out to solar system level.
Is that back and what the OP is complaining about?
Samir Duran Xadi
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
#30 - 2014-11-22 10:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Samir Duran Xadi
Char Aznobel wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Every competitive game has a limited zoom in order to create a competitive environment where position and environmental awareness are very important.


And why do you think you can only zoom out so far? You just answered your own question, although I can see how shooting asteroids in a 50km radius doesn't seem to do it justice.

However, if you ever learn to actually play the game you will find the tactical overlay and generous zoom feature to be quite beneficial, either that or wonder why you can't ever win/escape an engagement.

goodluck!


good job making clueless assumptions about me.
Samir Duran Xadi
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
#31 - 2014-11-22 10:26:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Samir Duran Xadi
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Nah - I have to disagree.

Zoom out represents the ability for every captain to have a tactical overlay of the battlespace. It is common for ship commanders to have this in a command control room and is not illogical that these ships would have a real time representation of a wide view of the field as it is currently expressed.

The current zoom structure is conducive to a fleet battle scenario.


Yes I agree the fleet commander should have the ability to see the battle from distance flying a ship with no offensive capabilities with a plethora of sensors but no one else. The commander idea has been successfully implemented in many games.



Jarod Garamonde wrote:


If you want to play an RTS, go buy an RTS.


That's precisely my point you can zoom out on Eve more than any RTS which is just silly.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#32 - 2014-11-22 10:44:00 UTC
Let's take this serious for a moment.

No it does not break immersion at all. The contrary really. Yes, I like to look at my ship. But I also like to zoom out and get a grasp for those vast dimensions and the time it will take to travel to something. Playing zoomed out is part of the graphic beauty of this game. I even do it sometimes during mining. It's a selling point.

Limiting this to fleet comanders is silly. You do need a tactical overview on a regular basis when you're solo too. And why restrict this to something artificial, if we can have it in all the beauty of a view in space? Doesn't make sense.

So a simple no.

Remove standings and insurance.
Samir Duran Xadi
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
#33 - 2014-11-22 11:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Samir Duran Xadi
I don't expect CCP to implement what I am proposing but it is one of those radical changes that the game needs to get past it's decaying 40k in game population. Yes with changes like this one CCP would lose a lot of old customers but it could win many more new ones.

Manual spaceship controls are a step to the right direction but simply not enough when someone can see out to hundreds of kms and out manoeuvre you by clicking at dots. Next generation space games that everyone is drooling for aim for maximum immersion. Eve should do the same.

Now imagine if you could zoom out to the point where you can see the whole battle in world of tanks and war thunder... Pretty laughable isn't it?

manual flying controls -> reasonable zoom amount -> removal or overhauling the overview
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-11-22 11:07:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
I don't expect CCP to implement what I am proposing but it is one of those radical changes that the game needs to get past it's decaying 40k in game population. Yes with changes like this one CCP would lose a lot of old customers but it could win many more new ones.

Manual spaceship controls are a step to the right direction but simply not enough when someone can see out to hundreds of kms and out manoeuvre you by clicking at dots. Next generation space games that everyone is drooling for aim for maximum immersion. Eve should do the same.


I can out maneuver you without touching the zoom. Zoom has nothing to do with piloting ability.

What it does do, however, in a game like this where FCs need the ability to see the positions of fleets in their entirety, wide angle zoom is necessary. Interestingly enough, since everyone has the same access to the same zoom levels all the time, it's also perfectly balanced, because guess what? You can do it too.

Lrn2EVE.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Black Ambulance
#35 - 2014-11-22 11:17:11 UTC
yeah , i want to zoom out more
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#36 - 2014-11-22 12:19:46 UTC
This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ...
... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........

I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion!

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-11-22 12:37:15 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ...
... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........

I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion!


I WANT A REAL SPACESHIP COMMAND CENTRE DAMMIT!! AND A REAL SPACESHIP TO GO WITH IT!! NONE OF THIS PC GAME CRAP!!!!!!

HEIL SANSHA!!!!!

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ursula Thrace
Dreamland Augmented Consortium
#38 - 2014-11-22 13:41:49 UTC
OP, i respect your point of view, but i disagree.

strategy plays such a huge role in pvp, that one could argue it outweighs almost everything else.

the option to zoom far out is critical for players - and not just FCs, but fleet members. i think the way the zoom mechanics work now is exactly the way it should remain.

i understand the immersion point you brought up, but if it bothers you that much, just don't do it.

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Samir Duran Xadi
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
#39 - 2014-11-22 15:27:07 UTC
Ursula Thrace wrote:
OP, i respect your point of view, but i disagree.

strategy plays such a huge role in pvp, that one could argue it outweighs almost everything else.

the option to zoom far out is critical for players - and not just FCs, but fleet members. i think the way the zoom mechanics work now is exactly the way it should remain.

i understand the immersion point you brought up, but if it bothers you that much, just don't do it.


It took 35 posts for a decent reply. Who knows what ccp has in store for Eve in the future, things will need to be shaken up sooner or later. It won't stop me from enjoying Eve until then.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#40 - 2014-11-22 15:27:58 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ...
... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........

I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion!


I WANT A REAL SPACESHIP COMMAND CENTRE DAMMIT!! AND A REAL SPACESHIP TO GO WITH IT!! NONE OF THIS PC GAME CRAP!!!!!!

HEIL SANSHA!!!!!

I wondered about this, when you poyted it some time ago.
It really made me wonder, because you presented it as epiphany.


Why ...

... Sanshq specifically ...
... and how does it make you heil him?


Hail?


TL'DR: HEIL SANSHA??

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
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