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The 4.7%: Wardecs with a Purpose
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Maekchu
Doomheim
#281 - 2014-11-21 18:53:28 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

Just the typical hisec pansy who praises CCP for leet invulnerability warfare exploit.


There is no such thing. Stop lying, for once.

"When we exploit it's leet, when others do it's exploit."

You can do exactly the same as the wardeccing corp can do, and you don't even have to pay the deccing fee. If anything, you should thank the deccing corp, for giving a free opportunity to get kills.

Now, the fact that your corp is only able to recruit 6 members and apparently you suck at PvP, can hardly be called an exploit.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#282 - 2014-11-21 18:54:39 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

Just the typical hisec pansy who praises CCP for leet invulnerability warfare exploit.


There is no such thing. Stop lying, for once.

"When we exploit it's leet, when others do it's exploit."

You can do exactly the same as the wardeccing corp can do, and you don't even have to pay the deccing fee. If anything, you should thank the deccing corp, for giving a free opportunity to get kills.

Now, the fact that your corp is only able to recruit 6 members and apparently you suck at PvP, can hardly be called an exploit.


There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#283 - 2014-11-21 18:55:15 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.


No that's called imaginary.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#284 - 2014-11-21 18:56:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.


No that's called imaginary.


No that's called HANDS OFF MY EXPLOIT DONT REMOVE IT PLS OR I DIE.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#285 - 2014-11-21 18:56:25 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

Just the typical hisec pansy who praises CCP for leet invulnerability warfare exploit.


There is no such thing. Stop lying, for once.

"When we exploit it's leet, when others do it's exploit."

You can do exactly the same as the wardeccing corp can do, and you don't even have to pay the deccing fee. If anything, you should thank the deccing corp, for giving a free opportunity to get kills.

Now, the fact that your corp is only able to recruit 6 members and apparently you suck at PvP, can hardly be called an exploit.


There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.

Are you talking about the invulnerability on undock (don't remember exactly the amount of secs you are invulnerable)? The same thing you also get?

Cause other than that, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#286 - 2014-11-21 18:56:58 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.


No that's called imaginary.


No that's called HANDS OFF MY EXPLOIT DONT REMOVE IT PLS OR I DIE.


What exploit? Docking? Docking is not an exploit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#287 - 2014-11-21 18:58:03 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.


No that's called imaginary.


No that's called HANDS OFF MY EXPLOIT DONT REMOVE IT PLS OR I DIE.


What exploit? Docking? Docking is not an exploit.


So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.
You already made it apparent you're a god when it takes to be stupid.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#288 - 2014-11-21 18:59:13 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

There are no kills, because they abuse invulnerability exploit. 6, 60 or 600 won't make a difference, that's why it called invulnerability.


No that's called imaginary.


No that's called HANDS OFF MY EXPLOIT DONT REMOVE IT PLS OR I DIE.


What exploit? Docking? Docking is not an exploit.


So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.
You already made it apparent you're a god when it takes to be stupid.

If it really is an exploit, then you submit at ticket to CCP, and they will deal with it.

Otherwise, it's probably something you missinterpret as an exploit, cause you have no idea how the hell to play this game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#289 - 2014-11-21 18:59:25 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:

So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.


No, it hasn't. You change your story every time your lies are exposed.

So how about you go ahead and lay it out for us? What is this "exploit" you are imagining?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#290 - 2014-11-21 19:03:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.


No, it hasn't. You change your story every time your lies are exposed.

So how about you go ahead and lay it out for us? What is this "exploit" you are imagining?


Not changed even once, liar.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#291 - 2014-11-21 19:04:55 UTC
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Basil Pupkin wrote:

So how long are you going to play dumb? It's been explained at least 10 times.


No, it hasn't. You change your story every time your lies are exposed.

So how about you go ahead and lay it out for us? What is this "exploit" you are imagining?


Not changed even once, liar.


Then you'll have no problem explaining it in detail.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Basil Pupkin
Republic Military School
#292 - 2014-11-21 19:06:34 UTC
Maekchu wrote:

Are you talking about the invulnerability on undock (don't remember exactly the amount of secs you are invulnerable)? The same thing you also get?

Cause other than that, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.


I suggest reading the thread. 15 pages are hardly a threadnought.

It's been hopelessly derailed by people scared that exposing the only thing protecting them from risk - their exploit - could be fixed and they'll have to *gasp* be vulnerable in space!!!

I'm done for today.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#293 - 2014-11-21 19:08:09 UTC
Notice how he won't explain what this imaginary exploit is. He tries to weasel out of it.

That's because there is no such thing, and he's lying.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#294 - 2014-11-21 19:58:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
If players want 'an identity', they join a corp and part of the cost of doing that is potential war.

(snip)

Niche games should 'cater' to it's niche community 1st and let everything else just be icing on the cake.
100% agree on the last part.


But try to forget a moment about all these bs highsec mechanics, and tell me if this would honestly makes sense to you if you were reading it for the first time:

There's an awesome Space Game were you can do all kinds of stuff, including blowing up other people's ships anytime you want. There's a part of the Game map called 'CONCORD-land', where there are strong limits on people blowing up your ship. You can play here as much as you want if you're not too fond of PVP. Oh, but don't join player Groups, or else people can blow you up anyways!


Wtf?

Either remove highsec altogether and make a real niche game (not a half-assed one), or keep it but make sensible mechanics (not half-assed ones) for the people who choose to live there.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#295 - 2014-11-21 20:07:54 UTC
i love how these highsec wardeccers think they are some sort of political masiahs trying to teach new players and miners about the fundamentals of eve and how they are trying to protect the integrity of the game by killing everything that doesnt have a gun because this is a combat game only and you shouldnt do anything else, get a grip go to low and null if you care about the game so much.

someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#296 - 2014-11-21 20:11:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Lan Wang wrote:

someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord


Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike roid suckers.

And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#297 - 2014-11-21 20:15:54 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord


Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike roid suckers.

And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that.


well stop complaining about the mechanics as there is a whole other world where highsec mechanics are not involved

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#298 - 2014-11-21 20:20:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord


Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike roid suckers.

And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that.


well stop complaining about the mechanics as there is a whole other world where highsec mechanics are not involved


EVE is first and foremost a PvP game. PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec.

But when the mechanics to enable PvP are broken in highsec, it creates a game imbalance that requires repair. Not only that, but pretending like an MMO is a singleplayer game is not something that should be promoted by game mechanics either.

EVE's strength is not it's PvE content, which is among the worst in the industry. It's strength is player interaction.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#299 - 2014-11-21 20:24:01 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:


There's an awesome Space Game were you can do all kinds of stuff, including blowing up other people's ships anytime you want. There's a part of the Game map called 'CONCORD-land', where there are strong limits on people blowing up your ship. You can play here as much as you want if you're not too fond of PVP. Oh, but don't join player Groups, or else people can blow you up anyways!


You should mention here that people can blow yo up ANYWHERE, just that "CONCORD-land' makes the ship blower upper pay a price to do it. Half of the problem is EVE messed up original concept of 'high sec' that leads some to believe that it's a pvp free zone when in fact all of EVE is a pvp zone (weapons don't magically shut off when you enter high sec as they would in a no-pvp allowed zone).

If a person that plays a pvp game isn't fond of pvp, well, they are the one's responsible for that mistake. I am not a (combat) pvp fanatic (I fleet up for CTAs when my null alliance has them in order to contribute to my group and also it's a fun little diversion from scanning and shooting rats sometimes), but I understand that I am playing a pvp game. That means people will try to shoot me any where I am (and undercut my prices on the market, and scan down plexes i want before i can do so etc etc).

It's no one's fault but that individual player if he doesn't adopt an understanding of the underlying truth of this video game they have chosen to play. Again, the problem isn't corps or wardecs, it's the terrible game mechanic called "high security space" that is the problem. Well, that and human nature that drives most gamers to be risk averse nobs too shallow of ego to do anything interesting, even in a video game.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#300 - 2014-11-21 20:30:15 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:

someone wants to mine a rock then let them mine a rock your just making yourself look like a c**t who is too scared to leave the protection of concord


Or, we can have a sandbox game instead of a themepark game. In a sandbox game, people are allowed to shoot you "just because". Or even if I happen to dislike roid suckers.

And since it's a sandbox game that we all signed up for in the first place, let's go with that.


well stop complaining about the mechanics as there is a whole other world where highsec mechanics are not involved


EVE is first and foremost a PvP game. PvP belongs everywhere. That includes highsec.

But when the mechanics to enable PvP are broken in highsec, it creates a game imbalance that requires repair. Not only that, but pretending like an MMO is a singleplayer game is not something that should be promoted by game mechanics either.

EVE's strength is not it's PvE content, which is among the worst in the industry. It's strength is player interaction.


but people do pve and enjoy it so who are you to dictate to them what the playstyle is?, why exactly do you live in highsec with such broken mechanics when other places are constant pvp?

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*