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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2014-11-20 12:54:20 UTC
SHOTS. FIRED.

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Xindi Kraid
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#22 - 2014-11-20 13:17:00 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:

We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years.
and what has what relevance now?

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We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation.
Overthrown is a big claim considering the Amarr Empire persists

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We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded.
You invaded a client State consisting of your own people rather than the Empire itself.

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How's retaking CP going for you folks?
Not as well as we would like, but not as badly as it could be. Hows freeing ALL the slaves coming?

Please don't insult the entire State and the Caldari just because you don't like one of us.
Esan Vartesa
Samarkand Financial
#23 - 2014-11-20 15:44:14 UTC
Mr. Kraid, as a close ally of the State and a prolific slave trader who harbors no love for her kind...

...stop being so pedantic. She nailed you folks good.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#24 - 2014-11-20 17:16:05 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments

We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor.

We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology.

When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet.

And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#25 - 2014-11-20 17:28:29 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
inane drivel about laziness.


We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years.

We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation.

We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded.

How's retaking CP going for you folks?

I like you.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2014-11-20 18:32:00 UTC
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
inane drivel about laziness.


We beat the Caldari people into space by several thousand years.

We overthrew the most powerful military empire in the world with rocks and sticks to reclaim our home after 700 years of occupation.

We then frontally assaulted the Mandate to reclaim the lost tribe - and succeeded.

How's retaking CP going for you folks?


Kyllsa...

We lived on a planet that makes yours look like a garden. What you call winter we call summer. Is it any wonder you beat us into space?

You managed to wound and escape the LARGEST military empire in the world - once it had been blunted by the Jovian Empire and with the help of the Gallente. We wounded and escaped the BEST military empire in the word and we had no help at all.

After seven hundred years you have your home planet back. After two hundred years we have most of ours back. It's going fine, thank you very much.

You frontally assaulted the mandate, which went well. You then frontally assaulted the REST of the Empire and got your asses handed to you. I suspect you got more slaves from Jamyl's decision to hand some over than you did from the most ruinously expensive fleet operation in New Edens history.

Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa. Haven't you learned that when you attack an entire people to prove their village idiot wrong, you do yourself far more harm than good.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#27 - 2014-11-20 18:33:35 UTC
Esan Vartesa wrote:
Mr. Kraid, as a close ally of the State and a prolific slave trader who harbors no love for her kind...

...stop being so pedantic. She nailed you folks good.


She had to stretch several points beyond the point of breaking to do it and, as usual, when she did so she called attention to two failings of her people for every so-called victory.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#28 - 2014-11-20 21:26:44 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments

We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor.

We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology.

When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet.

And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks?

You gotta ask yourself, how did that titan even reach Gallente space without CONCORD intervention?　

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#29 - 2014-11-20 22:41:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
inane drivel about minmatar accomplishments

We beat Minmatar people by both intellect and honor.

We frontally assaulted the whole Federation to reclaim our world only after 200 years, and we used the most advanced in the cluster technology.

When we lost titan, we have destroyed practically whole attacking group. When minmatars lost their titan and capital fleet at Mekhios, they didn't even scratch Empress fleet.

And how is that 'slave liberation' going for you folks?

You gotta ask yourself, how did that titan even reach Gallente space without CONCORD intervention?　

Ironically, Yulai was taken out by a fleet paid for by the Gallente Federation. Shame that your allies somehow leaked their plans to Heth without giving YOU a heads up.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#30 - 2014-11-20 23:34:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
We wounded and escaped the BEST military empire in the word and we had no help at all.


Well bar the technological advances made by both parties during their alliance.

The Federation is certainly adapt at being shot with the weapons it helped others arm themselves with.


Also let's not throw the word honour around here, when push comes to shove the Amarrians are actually the only ones who engaged in hostile action during ratified peace time and made amends for it with clear internal punishment and an apology that was more than simply words to the offended party.

I think they've got us all firmly beat when it comes to honour.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#31 - 2014-11-21 01:59:25 UTC
Honour?

Honour is a cloak of mist and rain spun out of words and then used to decorate the bodies of the dead and the ruins of defeat. It will not right a wrong, feed a child, free a slave, relieve a beleagured garrison or comfort a widow.

A woman much smarter than myself taught me a long time hence that honour and duty are incompatible. You cannot serve both.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#32 - 2014-11-21 03:00:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
*Edit* Removing to avoid an off-topic debate.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#33 - 2014-11-21 03:22:31 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
It is easy to call them incompatible as an excuse to avoid making the effort to follow both.


Try it. You'll either flinch from Duty because of Honour or cast aside Honour to perform your Duty.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#34 - 2014-11-21 03:40:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
*Edit* Actually, Mr. Tetua is right. That debate is off-topic for the thread.
Anslo
Scope Works
#35 - 2014-11-21 03:42:54 UTC
So once again we go from the OP to... What, argument type 3 iteration 346622875 grr [insert empire here]? Oh well.

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2014-11-21 04:06:13 UTC
Anslo wrote:
So once again we go from the OP to... What, argument type 3 iteration 346622875 grr [insert empire here]? Oh well.

arguement type 3 iteration 346622876.5, actually....

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2014-11-21 09:54:59 UTC
/eyes popcorn made with rocks and sticks and throws it into fire

i hate popcorn

i hate politics more

kim, i called you a wage slave, because like any uneducated slave, you are terrified of being separated from your master. yes, you draw a wage, but you are still trapped in your position, unable to quit because your life, your accomplishments, your very soul, belong to your master.

but instead of bowing to a holder, your master is the state. both demand unwavering loyalty and both carry hidden lashes to swiftly punish any transgression with brutal efficiency.

i am unafraid of hard work. i am also unafraid of educating myself. i am a free woman, kim.

you could be as well

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2014-11-21 14:46:26 UTC
Freedom being just another word for alone, in those case?

Whilst our culture is the reason we don't,and never will have slavery, going it alone is a euphemism for death in the Caldari mindset.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2014-11-21 16:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Mataar
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Freedom being just another word for alone, in those case?


no, pieter-haan, although i quite understand why you would ask that. no, freedom is the ability to /choose/ to be alone, if necessary. it is not forced upon you. the converse is also true.

i could draw many more comparisons and draw many more lines of division. this, i think, would be a bad idea. the last thing we need is more divisions.

and to kim... i... i owe you an apology. my original post above was a poorly conceived joke was not intended to be an insult. i do hope you understand that.

i will take my leave now. good day.

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price
Kyllsa Siikanen
Tuonelan Virta
#40 - 2014-11-21 18:25:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyllsa Siikanen
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

Frankly I thought you, of all people, were better than this Kyllsa.


Isn't it disappointing when someone you think highly of lets you down by a failure of character?

Damn. I just hate that.

“Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.” 

― C.S. Lewis