Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i think person ho created this tread has no idea how eve works and should just stay in high sec for remainder of his days whit a community

I was on about the idea in the OP as I did not bother to read the rest of this tread as it’s a troll topic.


Any systems were supers are stuck visible in a POS and count on reinforcement timers as there only defence is not a good game mechanic.
It does not take into account peoples real lives.
1 day 17h (non sov) and 2 days 17h (with sov) is your only defence is not an acceptable level of time. You cannot even go away on a long weekend.
And lol at the role idea for people to move them to safety in the event of an emergency.
Roles and not been able to trust anyone are the main resign people don’t use the POS mods we have already.

And will people stop going on about “LOG OFF ALTS” They are the aids and no respecting alliance allow/don’t moan about you doing dumb things like that… only scrubs have holding alts.

I agree with this principle because I am against unintuitive mechanics that are inconsistent with the lore.

For example, I am against awoxing, not because I want to protect care bears, but it just doesn't make sense to have a CONCORD policed area that will punish aggression unless the aggression is between corp members. It's also absurd that a defended against aggression by a corp mate will be shot by the police if he attacks the aggressor's log accomplice just because the accomplice is NOT in the aggressed individual's corp.

I am also against suicide ganking, not because I want to protect care bears. If ships were piloted only by cloned capsuleers, there might be a case for it, that it is merely a matter of economics of destroyed ships vs. potential bounty. However, these ships actually have crews. Fleets of suicide gankers commit mass murder of their own crews every time they suicide themselves. And for some reason they don't have problems finding crews willing to sign up to pilot themselves to oblivion.

I don't like gameplay that is a result of flying through holes in the mechanics. If we want a good method of pirating the ship lanes, CCP should make an actual piracy mechanic. If they want an exciting form of corp spying to make CEOs be on their toes, they should make an actual mechanic that enables ways for infiltators to damage corps.

The super thing is basically a way the player base has adapted the rule mechanics to keep their supers safe. It is unintuitive. Gigantic ships don't just disappear forever with their pilots inside them.

I am not simply recommending that we fix this with a simple mechanic making the supers stay online though, leaving the only option to be storing them in an x-large array. I am an independent player. I do not have a billion Goons behind me to protect my super in a tower. There is a body of fictional lore of rogue individuals winding up with massive assets all by themselves. For instance, in the last Star Trek movie the admiral, and later Khan, stole the largest and most powerful ship in the Federation's inventory and piloted it all by himself. So I like the idea of a lone player or a small group of players being able to wind up with a super carrier or titan.

So I completely support the removal of an unintended consequence of the log off mechanics being used keep supers safe. I think it requires super pilots to purchase or train a holder alt. Completely unintuitive. Better would be to make it so that the ships don't just l unrealistically disappear in space. However, I support the idea of making a super capital cloaking device that is extremely expensive and requires a separate skill to use (or at least cloaking 5, which hardly anybody bothers with, that works like a regular cloaking device except that the ship remains cloaked while un piloted.

This would make things basically as they are now, with a couple of exceptions. First, holder alts would no longer be necessary. But interestingly, if a guy pilots a ship somewhere and leaves it cloaked and forgets to bookmark where the ship is at, you may occasionally run into a player who accidentally cannot find his super.

So that's my input. The supercar logoff method is basically a rules loophole. It is unintuitive. It should be fixed. However, I am not necessarily advocating that an x-large ship bay be the only method for supers. It would take them out of the hands of a lot of players. Including me! So yes, fix it, but think about it and come up with an actually cool way that protects supers to players' satisfaction but does include Eve's element of risk v. reward and punishes the stupid. (Sorry you can't find your super, dude. Should have bookmarked it.)

Instead of arguing for this, you should argue to let supers dock so they can be blown up with the stations.

I believe the actual point, is that supers are not intended to enjoy the same safety and security as the smaller classes of ship.

If outposts became destructible, that would by necessity create additional vulnerability to the smaller classes.
At least, the ones who were online during the event.

Why shouldn't supers and titans be treated as corporate assets, rather than personal ones?

Your entire argument is based around not being able to either trust other players, or experiencing personal risk in a greater context than smaller ship classes.

You need a corp to anchor a POS. Why should you not need a corp to maintain and support a super?

Ok, I can see that was misunderstood.

I am referring to changing the nature of a super, into something no single account can own or control.
The CEO would assign one or more pilots to the super, and if your role was revoked, you would log back in with your pod after the next down-time.
(The ship being transferred to another pilot, probably needing to be present in the same system to occur)
I truly believe that individual pilots were given control of these originally, as a means of forcing the other corp members into trusting them.
The expectation being, that they would not have been able to get into a super without explicit assistance from the corp.

I think this was to encourage risk, as a super pilot could defect WITH the ship to another corp, and the original corp would view the ship's loss as something stolen on a corporate level.

From reading this i don't think you even play the MMO EvE Online.

Its more likely people would have alts way off grid holding the cyno logged off.

How about just letting supers/titans dock and then balance them accordingly? They loose some power in some way or another, and the owners aren't punished for owning them.