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Or MAYBE, just MAYBE, they need to leave semi-functioning hisec corps alone and make grief decs into meaningful war decs worth undocking into?

If a High Sec Corp is worth fighting for then people will find a way to defeat their aggressors.

At the moment there is very little motivation for anybody in a High Sec Corp to stay and fight. It is just far far far easier to leave and wait it out or just fold the corp all together.

Why actually bother to try and fight or pay somebody to fight for you if the thing your fighting worth is worthless?

There is still no reason to undock. It is nothing short of abject stupidity in high sec and any sort of remote success represents a colossal failure on the part of the aggressors.


It's funny, they're called hell camps out in null and no-one gets called a pussy for not undocking into those.

Drop corp because it's not worth my time? Log off and go play one of the infinite list of steam games I own and haven't even played? Get on C&P and shame the deccing corp?

If they're docked, you can go right back to missioning and mining.

Duh. Are you seriously this bad at EVE Online?

Oh, and wardecs are not "griefing". Ever. By definition.

No you're not. You outright said that they're docked 3 jumps away.

You can keep making up imaginary worst case scenarios, but you're tripping over yourself now.



Please point out how use of a legitimate game mechanic constitutes griefing as per the Terms of Service.

Otherwise you can stop using that lie.

I'll never understand the hypocrisy of people crying that folks won't undock into them.

"We want good fights" /wont go out of high sec

"We want to affect the economically" /docking them achieves this aim

What they want, is to blow up inexperienced, amateurs and the fact they are not even honest about it is pretty pathetic. You want to do that, fill your boots but at least be honest about it.

The game offers you every opportunity to get everything you complain that people who dock up deny you, yet refuse to go out and take it.

You're sitting back accusing other people of playing the sandbox wrong because they don't want to play it your way and at the same time refusing to alter your playstyle to get to do the things you claim you want to.

No-one gets the right to bear in peace, but no-one gets the right to shoot fish in a barrel either.

There you go again, injecting actual fact into a discussion when what is important is how something makes someone 'feel' .

You'd think that, however, what you will undoubtedly get is: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect

Dude, please, read the thread, I don't want to repeat for 8th time.
I don't have an issue with war decs, with guns, with interaction, economy, and whatever nonsense you bring.
I have an issue with grief decs, which makes trying to fight an invulnerable grief deccer meaningless. Your gun skills do NOTHING to a docked grief deccer, then they do nothing when you are in a barge.
I don't say you have no right to shoot a barge, I don't advocate war dec removal, whatever.
I just want a meaningful choices on a defender's side. Like suicide ganking - it's definitely out of hand and too easy and lucrative at the moment considering zero risk involved in doing it, but you can meaningfully increase the cost of ganking you the ganker must pay, ganker must expose his ships to CONCORD retribution for his right to gank me, and it carries consequences of kill rights and (removed by tags) sec status.
Grief decs carry no downsides, no meaningful options for the defender, and the rational choice in the grief dec situation forces players to do admittedly stupid things like dropping corp or docking for a week. The grief deccer is invulnerable, and it strips the whole meaning from fighting - gun skills do nothing to invulnerable targets.


Stop with your lies.
The attacked is "invulnerable" because they have no exposed assets, since his playstyle doesn't require that.
On the other hand, most other playstyles do.
And saying "you suffer zero hard from wardec" is borderline cretinism (not uncommon among your folk, I believe) - every second you are "being invulnerable" you are losing about 10k ISK x number of accounts "being invulnerable" by not doing whatever you are doing to get that ISK. But creative stuff is clearly outside your intellectual potential, so I dunno if I made any sense.
If they are undocked, that means your fleet is not a threat, and they are ready to grief you with no losses. At slightest chance of loss, considering risk-aversity of average hisec griefer bunny, they'd dock up and start the invulnerability.



The invulnerability requires a huge ISK loss on the side of the defender and almost to completely no loss on side of the attacker, so no, mechanics do not apply equally. Not like they must, of course, but the current overwhelming bias towards grief deccer must be dealt with.

And you also have the benefit of the free invulnerability exploit.
Looks like you're the one who needs rebalance, just like I said.
And stop crying about infinite allies, this mechanics if defunct, and all it does is scare you into more invulnerability exploiting while not doing anything meaningful.