Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you were proposing a combat frigate this would not be an issue, but then you are not proposing a combat ship are you. So comparing your proposed ninja salvage ship to dedicated combat frigates is a little on the shall we say crazy side. A far more accurate and appropriate comparison is against all of the other T1 frigates that could be used for this same purpose so let us look at some numbers.

All of these are listed in the same format
Ship name | cargo hold | signature radius.
Your ship 1000 | 600 | 35
Magnate 850 | 400 | 39
Heron 800 | 400 | 40
Imicus 875 | 400 | 38
Probe 825 | 400 | 38

Working with the averages here your ship has
19.5% increase in raw hp
50% increase in cargo hold
9.5% decrease in sig radius

In virtually every class of vessel there are trade offs made.
Larger cargo holds mean lower raw hp, increased sig radius or both.
Lower sig radius means smaller cargo holds, less raw hp or both.
And yet with your proposal you have more cargo hold, more raw hp, a lower sig radius and you want all of this in a cheap T1 hull.

I say no way.
Lower your stats closer to the averages for the other ships and I could go with the T1.
If you want the stats as proposed then it should be increased to a faction or T2 ship to account for the more esoteric construction etc. But even then that 35m sig radius has got to go, 45 - 50 still sounds about right.
And no you do not get to lower the base sig radius of the ship to account for the increases caused by the modules you intend to use.

The problem with this is that you're comparing the stats of the Lynx, which is a ship that actively goes into rather iffy situations in order to do its job, with ships that are meant to be used to explore stuff, hacking and analyzing derelicts. The exploration frigates aren't meant to be flown into hostile situations. It's for this that the Lynx doesn't have bonuses to probing which are as strong as the exploration frigates, or bonuses to analyzers and such.

Though I can make the concession to downgrade the cargo hold to more similar (or even a tad lower) levels, the other stats should definitely remain as such.




I'm not sure I quite understand what you mean by "laundering" the suspect status.

If by that you mean making it so looting a wreck won't make you suspect, I wouldn't want that at all.
First off, it has the potential to be abused horribly.
Second, salvage isn't suspect, it's first come first serve.
And third, why on earth wouldn't you want to go suspect? That's where most of the fun lies ^^

Except this guy who posted about it two days ago and even maybe the OP (unless it was coincidence he chose both the name and the purpose correctly).

I really enjoyed the novels, even though the Burning Life put me to sleep more than once. But I especially liked the bit at the beginning of it, referencing how mission agents don't necessarily ever show their real face and have probably on more than one occasion given missions to capsuleers whilst they're actually on the toilet.

I'd love to see more ships from the novels referenced in the game and this would be a good start!

On an off topic note I'd recommend it. They're fun once you know how EVE works.

Prospect is an expedition frigate, and a TII frigate.
With exploration frigates I mean the Heron, Probe, Magnate and Imicus.

Missing the point here. I do not have a problem with the proposed stats of your ship per say.
What I have a problem with is it having those stats AND being a T1 hull.
Make it faction or T2, leave your stats as is and I am good with the idea.
Want it to be a cheap T1 hull and you need to reduce some of the stats to a level more in line with the other T1 hulls in the game that could be used for the same task and that have the same general bonuses.

+1 to these

Then please make a comparison between the other TI frigates (exploration frigs notwithstanding).

You have had it pointed out numerous times why your choices of bonuses and stats are inherently overpowered for a T1 ship, that you constantly try to sidestep it by pointing to other random stats, endless exceptions to the rules and blindly ignoring certain posts is not something we can fix by going OH, this has 30% lower EHP than an Incursus.

I fail to understand the rational to the AB bonus. Why on earth would you fit an AB over a MWD on this? Mission spaces allow MWDs nowadays, being scrammed down is not a concern for a ninja salvager. Speed about the mission space is everything.

But that bonus would make it a lovely scram range kiter. So is the intention to bait mission runners into firing on you after you loot one of their wreaks and then tackle them while calling in the cavalry? Which would explain why you want the low sig radius too.