Missions & Complexes

Well what the the subject suggests: lack of game interation while running missions. The only complexity to a mission is if a player aggro's the wrong group first. Other than that there isn't much to think about during missions. Pretty much click your active mods and then basically wait until everything blows up.

Not sure about anyone else but I would like to see more game interaction while doing pve missions.

I think it would be interesting if some kind of "Aggrosystem" would be implemented. I would really like to get some friends to play and some kind of group PvE would help alot to attract them.

Doing missions in a small group with everyone taking a role would be a great fun imho. One dealing the dmg, one taking care of aggro and tank the Npcs and one helping the tank with shieldtransfer and armorrepping.

The missions then must be more difficult and challenge the group. But to allow running missions solo aswell, it must be a separte kind of mission.

So there is an additional kind of missions: "Group Missions" (more difficult and more awarding but only accessable with a fleet)

That would be sooo awesome i think :)

Im interested in your opinion! Tell me what you think is good about it and things which arent good.

Greetz
JD

sometimes that is exactly what I want. why do you think so many people just sit there and play solitaire on their work computer.

Sorry im a kinda "new" player too. So what is an Incursion? I heard something about it. Can you do them with Frigates when you start playing with your friends?

You can do them in battlecruisers with t2 logistics?

There's an awful lot more to eve's PvE than hisec agent mission running. Please don't tar and feather the game just because you've not yet looked far beyond mission-running. There is a whole universe of other stuff available.

Some of those other PvE arenas are fine for solo work, but many are better if you work with others, indeed some virtually force you to work with others.

If you're super-keen on collaborative interactive PvE content then you might want to think about:
- Level 4 missions in nullsec / lowsec. The missions themselves can be soloed, just like hisec ones, but the added element ... of everyone else trying to kill you ... often makes teamwork a more desirable approach.
- Level 5 missions. I've never done one, but understand they're best approached with a fleet. They're also generally in lowsec, which tends to add another dimension to the 'interaction' ... other players trying to kill you.
- Incursions. The easiest incursions **can** be soloed, but anything where decent isk can be earned requires coordinated collaborative work. This is arguably the logical extension for a mission-runner who wants more 'encounter' PvE in their life.
- W-space. W-space efforts can be soloed, but making the most of w-space PvE requires a team doing a wide range of pvE stuff.
- Industry. Assuming your view of 'PvE' extends beyond shoot-em-up activities. Often a diversified but coordinated team is the best way to approach complex and high-end industry PvE efforts. For example we have a couple of small groups running w-systems to provide many of the primary resources, we have several hisec R&D specialists, some miners, and several people building components and final products. This loose collaboration keeps some pretty major manufacturing efforts running and keeps us all in ships, ammo, and modules for our other activities.


So, do go look beyond missions. You will find a whole lot of other stuff out there ... the only limit is your own imagination, diligence, and resourcefulness.

I have not played any other MMO (except if you count a little starcraft before I discovered eve) and one of the things that I enjoy about eve, and has kept me interested, is the fact that you have to put in effort and time to achieve things.

It is most certainly not terribly strong on the instant-gratification front ... and I kinda like that.

I guess the problem is not that there's no stuff for us to do, but that we always want to do the more challenging and usually more rewarding stuff. I want to fly capital ships clearing C5/C6 sites .... now ... but am content that it's prolly another year before I have that skillset under my belt.

Also there is so much complexity in game dynamics that throwing inexperienced players at the more complex activities would have pretty dismal results. While I may have the skillbook skills to fly a carrier I don’t have the vaguest clue about when triage might be a good thing or a bad thing.



All the things I mentioned in my previous post can be pursued by decidedly unawesome characters. Just get together with a like-minded bunch and the universe is your oyster (or eystur depending on accent).

I moved into w-space (C2) while the toughest ship I could fly was a t1 weaponed hurricane. My efforts were pretty dismal to start with but soon I shifted over to a drake and moved on up to a c3 to clear 1+ billion isk per week, and then on up to a C4.



Eve is certainly fairly frugal with the hand-holding. It does provide some spoon feeding but generally leaves it to ppl to take guidance from others and steer their own course. I guess that's consistent with the whole sandbox ethos.

It sounds to me that what you'd benefit from is not necessarily changes to eve, but getting yourself involved with a like minded group. Perhaps if you look around a bit you will find a good corporation that will help you get tastes of the variety within eve and will let you, and your buddies, team up and include others in your efforts.



I have never played WOW but often see people suggesting in these forums that some people are just better suited to games like WOW. This may be the case with your friends, I don't know.

Eve is tough, it's a sandbox, it requires effort, dedication, and time ... and even then you all-too-often fall on your face in failure and humiliation. Most in game have been where you are now and many have fallen by the wayside. I don't see any of that as a bad thing, just a tough path that not everyone survives.

Try wormholes.

Class 6 Sleeper sites are the hardest PvE available in EVE, and require an organized effort to clear. With up to 4 optional capital escalation waves possible in class 5 & 6 spawning 6+8+6+8 of the toughest PVE battleships in EVE.

No higher than class 3 sites can be soloed, though I wouldn't recommend starting with anything harder than a class 2 site (takes at least a battlecruiser). Class 1 wormholes are restricted to battlecruiser and smaller.

W-space is -1.00 security, so you also have to watch out for PvP gangs, and warp disruptor bubbles.

Do you actually read my latest post?

Its ok that there are lvl 5 missions which have aggrosystem etc... but it would be awesome to bring these kind of group play to a lower level aswell so "younger" pilots can get access to some kind of group PvE action. With Frigates! One fitted for DPS one to Tank and one as remote Shield/Armor repper. Would be a great fun and attract new players imho... thats the suggestion.

Greetz
JD

Missions can become much more exciting if you run them in ships smaller than what they were designed for.

I have run level 4s in my ishkur many times before in the past, and it requires quite a bit of thought and interaction keeping your transversal up and everything going the way you want it.

The big downside to this is that most level 4 missions will become extremely long, regardless of your amazing skills. It just takes a long time for t2 light drones to kill that many BS.

Several people have mentioned incursions, which would be a good place to look based on what you've asked about. Another option would be to look into doing wormhole sites. I haven't really tried them myself aside from maybe two or three sites when wormholes were initially introduced, but I understand the enemies are harder hitting, better tanking, and generally better AI than your typical mission rats.