Crime & Punishment

I run L4 security missions in a tanked and rigged Procurer with max drone skills. Not having any problems getting the job done. Just takes a bit longer than conventional PvP ships.

Ad-hominems always win the debate.

And your assumptions are just...
wrong.

If trolling with absolutes makes you feel important and special keep at it

Why not?

I do it sometimes for the lolz (altho I use a Procuror and run L3's...)

Also its hilarious when someone scans you down, jumps into the mission, and then promptly dies from the rats.......

It's also hilarious to see the dreaded Battle Skiff fleet roaming in low/null, searching for prey......:)
With Battle Hauler support..:)

As for the OP's situation (lots of Skiffs, a freighter and an Orca), the solution is simple.

Ganking all the Skiffs would be...problematic.....even if you had the manpower and the ISK.

If you can gank only a single ship, kill the freighter, and keep killing the freighter, over and over again. If they stop using the freighter, pop the Orca, etc.

Note you are going to need several buddies or multi/IS box to make these ganks work. And you are definitely going to need to pull CONCORD.

Popping any MTU's they try and use is also recommended, he might actually engage you with some of the Skiffs.

Ah. My targets that were the inspiration for this OP are fitted with that Higgs rig. I had never heard of or seen it before.

The skiff is going to coast out of the catalysts optimal even with a scram. They move reasonably fast at base and are agile enough to reach max speed quickly.

Realistically, you are going to need to bring webs too AND get a really good warpin to kill this thing.

At all level 5 a cata beats a Skiff at base speed, sso no issues there. Again, even a naked Skiff will require at least 3 catas, you only need 1 point so that leaves 5 mid slots for web. That's enough to bring antything to an effective stand still.



99% of SKiffs are static, don't ask ME why, ask the dumbasses that are static or are orbitting their orca at 500m. As for the speed, read my above comment. If you are going to gank a Skiff, chances are you are going for overkill since you can't get an exact number on their tank (you don't know the pilot's skills, you don't know the squad boosters skills and you don't know if he has an off grid command link booster (if you did youre homework you will know if he has an ON grid command link booster).

You'll have webs a plenty (you only need one or two), everyone else can bring catas with afterburners (or Zor hyper links) and get or keep in range whitin mere seconds. Since any sane person would bring a few 'overkill' ships into a SKiff gank that still means a Skiff can be ganked. It just requires more effort (more than it's worth really but that's beside the point of your argument). So yes, they are 'effectively' gank immune but can still be ganked.

Again, in the spirit of this thread, it's not about the Skiff being so hard to gank, it's about the Skiff being so hard to gank and still be so good at everything else in general and having a yield that is on par witht that of a Mackinaw.

It does have a poor fitting. That is exactly my point. This is how miners typically fit their Skiff so ganking them is many times not at all difficult.

With the fitting you've described and fleet boosts you'd be looking at 100xx EHP. Still very gankable, only 8 Cats needed.



You can fit a 10MN AB and go even quicker, and scram does nothing . They can still be webbed down though. Their orbit is fairly predictable too, a gank fleet 200km off grid can warp in on a scout and land with good range.

The Skiff is not at all ungankable if AFK, and I mean not close to ungankable. 8 Cat fleet that doesn't suck should have no problem taking one down even with the AB and orbit.


edit - This post assumes 0.5 in all cases

Can be done but probably won't be. Too much trouble for no gain whatsoever. Maybe if you really want to kill some guy running his mouth in local, but meh. Why bother when 10km from him is a Hulk or Mackinaw with almost no tank and doesn't require eft warrior mode and seven of your buddies all perfectly executing a strategy? A Skiff's tank is also the lack of tank in the ships around him. You don't have to outrun the bear. You just have to outrun your fat out of shape friend. Apologies to the exercise challenged.

The ability for any capsuleer to stay in permamently or revert to membership of an NPC corporation should be disabled once a capsuleer is two months old. That's my two penneth on that chestnut. That change could be added to an improved NPE if we ever get one.

But the NPC corp issue compounds the situation but doesn't alter the fact that the Skiffs statistics need revising. The most recent rebalancing of the mining vessels was mainly done to stop the Mackinaw being 'go to' ship type for mining. The combined changes from that same rebalancing made the Skiff the 'best ship' although most miners haven't clicked that this is the case yet. One of CCPs core principles is that all ships have roles and there are no 'best ships' so the Skiff stats need to be changed.

Skiffs rarely get 'exploded' except if they are under wardec conditions. So many ships/pilots are required that it makes more sense, even not taking ISK into consideration, to attack a Freighter or Orca instead. I originally started this discussion on the basis of an EHP reduction but I now concur with others that a reduction in yield for the Skiff would lessen the damage it does to rocks. It would also remove it's current status as the 'best ship' for mining which would bring the Skiff back into the role based system.