EVE General Discussion

You have 188m SP and a 50m hit on what I would expect to be a less than average death rate is upsetting to you?

I have about 31M sp and I can wipe my arse with 50M Isk Bills.

He who does not learn from the past is doomed to repeat it:

RIP Every other MMO that went soft hoping to draw in more of the Mighty Morphing Power Rangers generation.

I fully support CCP removing the upgrade your clone to save your SP costs.


It is not a choice whether or not I should upgrade my clone. If I don't upgrade it, my next clone death will cost me a month of skillpoints! No one thinks 40m isk is worth a month of training time, making it a mandatory cost!

What is more, is the high clone costs discourage doing "risky things" with your ships, which is simply poor game play!

There could be an option to auto-upgrade so you don't have to remember just keep enough ISK handy

This discussion is not about HTFU or people forgetting to upgrade a clone and not being able to cover the cost. If you think, that removing the clone costs only has these effects, then you truly cannot think outside the boundaries of your limiting head.

What removing the clone costs in reality will accomplish, is getting older players out in space more frequently and in smaller ships. This will improve EVE overall, since there will be more stuff to shoot.

I will never understand risk averse players. But undocking a 10M frigate just to lose a 100M clone, is not risk averse. That is just stupid. Yes, you can get your pod out 99% in lowsec and highsec. But what about nullsec? You cannot just say, "Well getting your pod out is easy", when you are sitting in a bubble. Come on guys, use your freaking head.

This "Save our Clones Initiative" is just for people who have a hard time with changes, or are smartbombing gatecampiners in Rancer. For improvement of EVE in general, you should welcome this change with open arms.

I'm all for having risk when losing your ships, don't get me wrong. But that risk should be tied to your ship. I will welcome skill loss on capital and subcapital ships (just as with T3s) with open arms. I'd welcome decreasing, or even removing the ISK from insurance. I'd welcome changes that increase the costs of ships. But you all cry for risk, but if any of these changes would be introduced, we'd have another river of tears coming.

Now, where can we sign up for a petition to get this change out even sooner?

The reason it is removed is because it is a bad mechanic, that doesn't serve a purpose that the remaining mechanics can't already do. Loss on death will be handled by ships, modules, rigs and implants. Main difference being you just get a performance increase with risking more and the level of minimum risk is now lower and equal for all. Making suggestions about how the current system can be made more convenient still doesn't actually give CCP any reasons to keep it around. Convenient pointless bad is still bad. Try to aim higher. Go for convenient meaningful good.

At least I'll agree with you the UI is crap.

Going from full colored 3D shapes to grayscale 2D pictures? Really? That's an improvement? Hope someone got fired for that nugget.

The auto-pay simply makes it so pilots never forget to upgrade their clone. That is nice, but irrelevant to the mechanic itself.

What does the clone cost add to the game?

[getting rid of clone costs devalues death and makes pvp less meaningful. Since ship loss is not a barrier to vets (at least for typical subcap t1 hulls), death becomes meaningless for vets without clone costs. Whenever these changes have been done in other mmo's it has promoted negative conduct such as zerging and other largely thoughtless behavior.

I hope you have an actual example to back up this statement.