EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hello, I've watched many videos of this trick. But I still couldn't do it successfully.

My ship is Mammoth, after jumping and in gate cloak, I choose my next gate, align, cloak, mwd, wait for mwd to almost finish a cycle, spam the jump icon with mouse, de-cloak.

Are the steps correct? But my mammoth always doesn't have enough speed to inst warp after de-cloak, instead it builds up speed again slowly, until 75%

Does that mean it has not enough acceleration to get the required speed in the 10 sec mwd cycle?

Thanks in advance

sounds about right. although I think if you hit the jump button while still cloaked then nothing will happen. I'd decloak then hit warp. although with hotkeys and the mouse you should probably be doing both at about the same time anyways.

if you aren't at 75% speed when you decloak then it won't work. with a mamoth I think this requires a 10mn mwd and an improved cloak.

Okay I'll try a 10mn. Also do skills help? like Acceleration control, evasive maneuver etc?

Works with any MWD, but not a T1 cloak. If using an undersized MWD, you may have to overheat it.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1802714#post1802714

Hm... 10mn mwd need 150 power, my mammoth only has 96 now... trying in EFT but can't seem to make it to fit...

Any idea?

Okay, a few things...

What you need:

- a Tech 2 cloak (not the Covert-Ops one).
- a 10MN Microwarpdrive


What you do:

- after jumping through a gate hold your cloak (see: don't turn on anything or move anywhere)
- select your desired destination (either a gate or a station)
- ALIGN to your destination
- hit the cloak and MWD at the SAME time (make sure you double clicked the MWD so that it is glowing red).
- wait until the MWD cycle is about to end
- decloak and hit warp


How it works:

The MWD-pulse trick increases the max speed of a ship, however the agility (acceleration) of certain ships are so low that they will never reach even close to max MWD speed within one MWD cycle.

This is where the cloak comes in. In addition to providing a layer of safety so that you are not "pointed" (warp disrupted/scrambed) it reduces the max speed with the MWD to something closer to the normal speed without the MWD.

This way, when you exit cloak and the MWD cycle ends, the speed is at, or near, max warp speed for your ship.


How you can potentially screw up.

- you try to activate the MWD well after the cloak has been turned on. There is about a second or two after the cloak has been activated where you can turn on other mod... but no more. You have to be quick.

- you try to use a Tech 1 cloak or an "undersized" MWD (1MN rather than a 10MN). Both alter the speed manipulation in different ways... which can cause the trick to fail.

- your skills are not up to par. Be sure you have Spaceship Command and other ship agility skills trained up to a minimum of level 4. They too affect the speed of your ship.

- you try to warp before the cloak is down. Only Covert-Op capable ships can warp cloaked. For Industrial ships, this is the Blockade Runner.

- you get too close to something when you perform the trick. The cloak will fail if you are within 2000m of anything. This include jetcans, drones, and other players. Be sure to select a route that does not have these things in the way.




[Mammoth, 10mn-Cloak]

[empty low slot]
Power Diagnostic System II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II
Reactor Control Unit II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Improved Cloaking Device II
[empty high slot]

you will need a 10mn MWD for a hauler. If you fly very slow haulers like deep space transports intertia stabs will be probably required to bring you up to speed in time. (skill dependent etc etc)

align
cloak + mwd
after 1 cycle, decloak, warp

Don't fit the small shield extenders or the plates. They are practically useless because they add so little HP.

You are better served by fitting shield hardeners like Adaptive Invulnerability Fields and a Damage Control.

However, if you are caught in low-sec they will not be much good either. The most they will do is slightly dissuade suicide gankers in high-sec.


Your first and only tank is to not be caught in the first place.

Gankers generally have three teams.


The first team is tasked with hauling ganking ships to the setup location... usually a 0.5 or 0.6 system where CONCORD response is slowest (about 12 to 15 seconds) and with scooping up whatever loot is available from any successful ganks.

The second team (or person) is tasked with finding a suitable target. They will use cargo and ship scanners to estimate what you have in your ship and the value of it... and they will follow you for a few jumps to know where you are roughly going.

The third team is the one that perform the actual act.
They usually prefer Destroyers (Catalysts and Thrashers), Vexors, and/or Attack Battlecruisers (Talos or Tornados)... all of which (including the number of people performing the act) depends on the tank and value of the gank itself.

Ganking ships in general are fit completely for damage and damage application. Cheaply too. And because CONCORD effectively ignores any tank present, suicide ships have no tank to speak of.

Example:

[Catalyst, Suicide Ganker]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer I

[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]

Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]


- The fit itself costs about 2 million ISK.
- With high skills it can deal about ~360 to 400 damage per second... that is 5,400 to 6,000 damage over 15 seconds assuming that conditions are perfect (in range, no tracking difficulties, etc).

The trick for haulers is to either...
- make their tank so beefy that the value of the number of ships needed to kill it within 15 seconds exceeds the cargo value
- make their cargo value so low that the value of the number of ships needed to kill it within 15 seconds exceeds it
- some combination of the above two
- not be in the position where they might be ganked in the first place
---- take a route that doesn't see too many ganks (can be viewed on the statistics of the world map)
---- have a scout to check one jump ahead if there is any suspicious activity
---- use a friend to web your ship so that it basically instawarps (uses the same principle as the MWD-cloak trick... apply 2x webs to manipulate max speed so that it matches the current speed... resulting in an insta-warp).
---- outsource hauling duty to someone more qualified (see: Red Frog Freighting Services)

There are other tricks that can be used too (like adding in one of every useless item in the game to confuse the cargo scanners)... but the gist of it is to be as creative as you can.

People who habitually suicide gank do lose security status, yes.

Once you pass below -5.0 you become "kill on sight" to all other players in the game... anywhere, anytime, by anything.
NPC Faction Police will also engage as well... but there is a delay of a few seconds. This allows "outlaws" to move through high-sec in fast ships (anything smaller than a cruiser). However, the NPCs will not respond if the "outlaw" is only in a pod.

If someone suicide ganks they become "criminals" for 15 minutes... resulting is a guaranteed ship loss (evading CONCORD in any way is a EULA violation punishable with a ban) and the inability to fly any ship in high-sec except for a pod.

This is what the "First team" in my last post is for. They are generally law-abiding characters. They simply drop off ships at a pre-arranged spot in space the "outlaws" also have bookmarked... and they scoop up loot while the gankers are "criminals."


edit: clarified some things.