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Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
Good Sax
#41 - 2014-11-20 10:27:38 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Rain Amekage wrote:
Indeed, but why not take everything? You're clearly "superior."
We're a hollow shell of our former selves with C.Q.B leaving.



But at least your average IQ increased...
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#42 - 2014-11-20 10:57:41 UTC
Phaade wrote:
There is this weird thing called a blob.

It usually shows up in the form of 25-50 Gallente Militia members in ECM vexors (or assorted other crap like VNI's, Ishtars, derp catalysts, always with 6-10 logi) and parks in a system for hours knowing full well the Caldari don't have enough numbers to fight back.

They do this, then call us trash for not fighting outnumbered two to one.

It really is quite hilarious.

Edit: OP made my day with his idiocy, thanks for the laugh man.


I dunno, that shield HAC gang with Nados I saw running around looked pretty similar to a blob to me.

And you still ran from a faction cruiser gang, and Galfed.
Nalena Linova
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2014-11-20 12:17:40 UTC
Sadly its not an issue of 'manning up', we simply don't have the means to fight the Galmil in an effective manner.

Morale and activity are low and have been for a while. Recruitment and retention of high SP pilots is difficult, and because of long-term T1, and inability to defend/take towers and POCOs, we have very low income.

Combine that with a historical inability of the major entities to work together and perhaps you can appreciate the challenges of making Calmil competitive.

As an example of the power imbalance, the last time we formed to contest a POCO in Deven, in a rare joint OP with TEMPLIS and the Calmil coalition, we fielded ~70 drakes with ospreys. The Galmil brought ~80 brutix navy issues and a similar sized battleship fleet with guardians.

I'm not sure what the solution is, and believe me we've been discussing it a lot. Maybe if Galmil ease off the pressure and we can push into T2 and recruit/retrain for 6-8 months we will see a resurgence.
Rain Amekage
Doomheim
#44 - 2014-11-20 13:02:00 UTC
Nalena Linova wrote:
Sadly its not an issue of 'manning up', we simply don't have the means to fight the Galmil in an effective manner.

Morale and activity are low and have been for a while. Recruitment and retention of high SP pilots is difficult, and because of long-term T1, and inability to defend/take towers and POCOs, we have very low income.

Combine that with a historical inability of the major entities to work together and perhaps you can appreciate the challenges of making Calmil competitive.

As an example of the power imbalance, the last time we formed to contest a POCO in Deven, in a rare joint OP with TEMPLIS and the Calmil coalition, we fielded ~70 drakes with ospreys. The Galmil brought ~80 brutix navy issues and a similar sized battleship fleet with guardians.

I'm not sure what the solution is, and believe me we've been discussing it a lot. Maybe if Galmil ease off the pressure and we can push into T2 and recruit/retrain for 6-8 months we will see a resurgence.


Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The playground is the Caldari State, and the Gallente Federation is the big bully going around kicking sand castles. Problem is, there are no heroes in Eve. No young scrawny kid to come and knock the bully down. Asking the Gallente to back off is liking asking your employer to give you more money without working, it will never happen. The Gallente enjoy their dominance far too much. They wave their "Superior" stick around and laugh at CalMil. Even with their larger numbers.

Which is why they make threads such as this, because they are bored. Bored even with themselves. Yet they boast incessantly that the Caldari can't and or won't ever push them back. Only 16j from Jita is a system held by CalMil that is Tier 5. Why not take that, if you can?

GalMil and CalMil have a fundamental difference. We both have golden statues, the problem is that the Gallente statue is painted gold, but is really bronze. Take away your numbers. and what do you have? Better LP. Take that away and what do you have? The same level as CalMil. If you're bored, you certainly have the tools to make it harder for you. You just don't have the "honor" to do so.

I'm sure there are plenty of honorable men and women in the Gallente Militia, I just haven't fought one yet.


"Remember the sacrifices made, and die upon a mountain of your enemies."
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#45 - 2014-11-20 14:39:41 UTC
Rain Amekage wrote:


I'm sure there are plenty of honorable men and women in the Gallente Militia, I just haven't fought one yet.




Maybe you should try undocking and pewing a lot more. There are probably more e-honor bros that fly around black rise and placid looking for fights than you will find in any other region in the game.

JUSTK is recruiting
Val Erian
Azure Horizon Federate Militia
#46 - 2014-11-20 15:00:53 UTC
"The Package."

I think its still sitting in a hangar somewhere.


But, hey, this thread delivers Retro FW. Just needs commentary from Finland.


maybe i'll even login
Nalena Linova
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2014-11-20 15:34:45 UTC
Rain Amekage wrote:
Take away your numbers. and what do you have? Better LP. Take that away and what do you have? The same level as CalMil.


They'd still have higher SP average, allowing them to be more flexible with doctrines and better respond to changes in the meta. Also better and more experienced FCs, a larger cap fleet, higher general morale, better inter-corp relations and cooperation, POSes and POCOs for income, and a better reputation to aid with recruitment.
Grimwood
Proioxis Assault Force
Rogue Caldari Union
#48 - 2014-11-20 16:31:03 UTC
Galmil has neutral allies all over the place to prop them up.
Maybe that is what Calmil needs
London James
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-11-20 16:37:35 UTC
Nalena Linova wrote:
Rain Amekage wrote:
Take away your numbers. and what do you have? Better LP. Take that away and what do you have? The same level as CalMil.


They'd still have higher SP average, allowing them to be more flexible with doctrines and better respond to changes in the meta. Also better and more experienced FCs, a larger cap fleet, higher general morale, better inter-corp relations and cooperation, POSes and POCOs for income, and a better reputation to aid with recruitment.



Sounds about right.
Lol
RonPaul Rox
Prime Directive.
United Caldari Space Command.
#50 - 2014-11-20 16:52:06 UTC
Rain Amekage wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:
The few systems that are being held by the CalMil forces are more an attempt from GalMil to herd the targets to some areas, rather than to resort to hunting in highsec.

The squids could just man the f*** up and show what they are made of. What the hell? Do you have no honour?



Indeed, but why not take everything? You're clearly "superior." Take every single system and hold it for a year, and then "proclaim" your superiority. Until then, you just make yourself look silly posting things like this.

Two to three times the numbers and LP Bliss makes for plenty of "bragging rights." Sure.


((Note: I do accept that the Gallente have the war nearly won, but until you have real dominance, it's not over. Honor is not given, it is earned.))



You must be new here, we DID take every system 3 months ago and I didnt get a medal :(

I rage-unsubbed for 2.5 months, but it's now too cold outside to leave my pod, so i'm back.

After taking the warzone, we declared victory, we dont need to hold it for X amount of time to prove anything.

Now we just want fights

Please take Innia, pretty please

http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#51 - 2014-11-20 16:54:29 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Rain Amekage wrote:
Which is why they make threads such as this, because they are bored. Bored even with themselves. Yet they boast incessantly that the Caldari can't and or won't ever push them back. Only 16j from Jita is a system held by CalMil that is Tier 5. Why not take that, if you can?
Because we can take it. That's why we don't.

We choose to do things in the game not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because difficult goals will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because difficult challenges are the ones that we are willing to accept, ones we are unwilling to postpone, and ones which will make us stronger.

Quote:

GalMil and CalMil have a fundamental difference. We both have golden statues, the problem is that the Gallente statue is painted gold, but is really bronze. Take away your numbers. and what do you have? Better LP. Take that away and what do you have? The same level as CalMil. If you're bored, you certainly have the tools to make it harder for you. You just don't have the "honor" to do so.


You want "hard"? Sit at the Eha/Innia gate with a 5k man alliance plus almost every Caldari FW corporation next door in Innia trying to take you down for three long months. That's what we did. It sharpened us and our resolve. We were forced to organize ourselves into the most brutally efficient occupancy warfare machine this game has ever seen. One that was able to quickly come to the aid of the Minmatar in Huola this summer (which was the largest meat grinder in this game this summer), and then immediately pivot to Okkamon half a universe away to take the Caldari's most heavily defended (and most defensible) system on our way to taking the entire warzone. That was hard.

We leave "easy" to those who wish to live outside the warzone, to those who "go it alone" because it's easier than interacting with "militia rabble", and to those who find "success" by joining the entrenched low sec powers instead of fighting them.

Anyways, enough propoganda. Right now the sides are extremely imbalanced, but we're still finding enough low sec content to make this game interesting. Hopefully the Caldari are able to secure some low sec niche that makes the game fun for them as well (as underdogs for now). In due time the pendulum may, or may not, swing the other way. The key is that you have fun pew'ing along the way.
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#52 - 2014-11-20 17:20:45 UTC  |  Edited by: SmokinJs Arthie
Grimwood wrote:
Galmil has neutral allies all over the place to prop them up.
Maybe that is what Calmil needs

I sure would like to know who these "allies" are.
Zen Lena
#53 - 2014-11-20 17:26:42 UTC
Reading this propaganda material, I guess some of the jokes that your allies say of you is true; You really are one of the biggest roleplaying neckbeards in Gallente. Lighten up; it's just a game man

X Gallentius wrote:
Rain Amekage wrote:
Which is why they make threads such as this, because they are bored. Bored even with themselves. Yet they boast incessantly that the Caldari can't and or won't ever push them back. Only 16j from Jita is a system held by CalMil that is Tier 5. Why not take that, if you can?
Because we can take it. That's why we don't.

We don't do things because they are easy. We choose to do things in the game not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because difficult goals will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because difficult challenges are the ones that we are willing to accept, ones we are unwilling to postpone, and ones which will make us stronger.

Quote:

GalMil and CalMil have a fundamental difference. We both have golden statues, the problem is that the Gallente statue is painted gold, but is really bronze. Take away your numbers. and what do you have? Better LP. Take that away and what do you have? The same level as CalMil. If you're bored, you certainly have the tools to make it harder for you. You just don't have the "honor" to do so.


You want "hard"? Sit at the Eha/Innia gate with a 5k man alliance plus almost every Caldari FW corporation next door in Innia trying to take you down for three long months. That's what we did. It sharpened us and our resolve. We were forced to organize ourselves into the most brutally efficient occupancy warfare machine this game has ever seen. One that was able to quickly come to the aid of the Minmatar in Huola this summer (which was the largest meat grinder in this game this summer), and then immediately pivot to Okkamon half a universe away to take the Caldari's most heavily defended (and most defensible) system on our way to taking the entire warzone. That was hard.

We leave "easy" to those who wish to live outside the warzone, to those who "go it alone" because it's easier than interacting with "militia rabble", and to those who find "success" by joining the entrenched low sec powers instead of fighting them.

Anyways, enough propoganda. Right now the sides are extremely imbalanced, but we're still finding enough low sec content to make this game interesting. Hopefully the Caldari are able to secure some low sec niche that makes the game fun for them as well (as underdogs for now). In due time the pendulum may, or may not, swing the other way. The key is that you have fun pew'ing along the way.
Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#54 - 2014-11-20 17:44:17 UTC
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
Grimwood wrote:
Galmil has neutral allies all over the place to prop them up.
Maybe that is what Calmil needs

I sure would like to know who these "allies" are.


Me!

JUSTK is recruiting
SmokinJs Arthie
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#55 - 2014-11-20 17:53:08 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
Grimwood wrote:
Galmil has neutral allies all over the place to prop them up.
Maybe that is what Calmil needs

I sure would like to know who these "allies" are.


Me!

We haven't busted you out lately cause I'm pretty sure there was something about abuse of game mechanics. Lol
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#56 - 2014-11-20 17:56:22 UTC
Zen Lena wrote:
Reading this propaganda material, I guess some of the jokes that your allies say of you is true; You really are one of the biggest roleplaying neckbeards in Gallente. Lighten up; it's just a game man
What makes you think any of this is serious?
Epikurus
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-11-20 18:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Epikurus
RavenTesio wrote:


As for the rest, I don't know; had to step away (still not properly back to playing much yet) but the sentiment I've been getting, is one of guys who have just be absolutely broken. I mean low-moral has often been something you deal with being Caldari, but this is not a case of just being knocked down... we had the absolute **** beaten out of us until there was damn near nothing recognisable left.



Speak for yourself! A year ago my corp was filled with sub 3mil sp characters flying Atrons. Six months ago getting regular logi and ewar in CalMil fleets was almost impossible and the number of FCs taking fleets out was tiny. In Kehjari back in May CalMil couldn't field a T1 cruiser doctrine to contest the medium plexes. Until recently CalMil corps had no strategic ship reserves for system battles.

Now there are multiple fleets every night spread across a large number of FCs, logi and ewar are a given for anything over T1 frigs, and T2 cruisers are starting to become a regular thing. My experience, and I think I speak for most of my corp and alliance here, has been one of constant improvement and development. We started a long way behind the Gallente and that has challenged us to constantly push forward and learn how to do new things and how to do old things better. Of course, they have been developing into bigger and better stuff along the way as well so we haven't exactly caught up but many of the groups who have stayed in the militia have improved dramatically in their capabilities and approaches to combat. I see that as a big win and morale where I am is as good or better than it has ever been.

Of course, if you base your view of success on the state of the war-zone then your morale may well be in the dumpster. But the state of the warzone is not within the control of any individual pilot, corp or alliance. If you use your own development as your criterion for success then quite a few Caldari corps have a lot to be happy about.

Edit - Also, congratulations to the Gallente for the longest period yet without a circlejerk thread. It's been literally months! Resetting the timer now.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#58 - 2014-11-20 18:36:29 UTC
SmokinJs Arthie wrote:
I sure would like to know who these "allies" are.
Sorry for not telling you that we pay Snigg and Exodus. (and now SCUM.) to keep the pipes clean for us.
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#59 - 2014-11-20 18:45:56 UTC
Thanatos Marathon wrote:
Rain Amekage wrote:


I'm sure there are plenty of honorable men and women in the Gallente Militia, I just haven't fought one yet.




Maybe you should try undocking and pewing a lot more. There are probably more e-honor bros that fly around black rise and placid looking for fights than you will find in any other region in the game.


I noticed you left out Essence there. I guess we are the Han Solos of the Federation. We will shoot first!
Domino Vyse
FeedingMachine
Good Sax
#60 - 2014-11-20 18:48:15 UTC
RonPaul Rox wrote:
Rain Amekage wrote:
Desra Mascani wrote:
The few systems that are being held by the CalMil forces are more an attempt from GalMil to herd the targets to some areas, rather than to resort to hunting in highsec.

The squids could just man the f*** up and show what they are made of. What the hell? Do you have no honour?



Indeed, but why not take everything? You're clearly "superior." Take every single system and hold it for a year, and then "proclaim" your superiority. Until then, you just make yourself look silly posting things like this.

Two to three times the numbers and LP Bliss makes for plenty of "bragging rights." Sure.


((Note: I do accept that the Gallente have the war nearly won, but until you have real dominance, it's not over. Honor is not given, it is earned.))



You must be new here, we DID take every system 3 months ago and I didnt get a medal :(

I rage-unsubbed for 2.5 months


Did you really unsub because you didn't get a medal?