Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Basically what they did was change around the bonuses and ships so that now, instead of 1 truly combat capable CS per race, you have 2.
That said, command ships can still deal one hell of a nasty punch (points at killboard).

Neuts still turn off tackle and hardeners. I would say that the Vargur is neut resistant, but not neut proof.

The frustration OP is facing is caused by the fact that pre-Tiericide the command ship-battlecruiser balance dynamic made sense. You payed 1000% of the price of a battlecruiser for a Command Ship. It was special and it had the tank and the DPS to make it worth the training and the money.

Now, post Tiericide, ships that a Field Command Ship could 1v3 will come damn close to 1v1ing it. They lost a tremendous amount of their appeal as big shiny bastardly ships and became both an unreasonable skill sink and just flat not as good comparatively. In a game like EVE you have to realize that disproportionate buffs are the same thing as a nerf to the party at loss.

Command Ships are absolutely not worth it in the current state of the meta. They dont bring anything special that isnt done almost as good or better by ships of similar or much less expense. For command links, a boosting T3 is the standard for a reason. Its better. For a agile brawler you will be outdone by HACs, who are usually both more maneuverable and do similar DPS, and they benefit from their 50% reduction to sig from MWDs. For a brick-tanked DPS machine look no further than Battleships. Hell, they're cheaper, they insure, they have similar or better tanks and absolutely will out DPS and out range you. Tech 3 Cruisers occupy the space in the meta that Command Ships used to.

I didn't say anything about nerfing the tank on anything. And the argument is about whether or not they received buffs, its if those buffs were comparable to the buffs received by competing ships. T3s receive bonuses to 3 categories of warfare links and lose 5% effectiveness at 5 over command ships who receive 5% better boosts to 2 categories. They're practically the same. And its perfectly possible to fit a good tank on a boost T3, in some races anyway.

Exactly my point Exactly. Command ships have no place they can call their own anymore. In 2012 there was no ship that could outbrawl a sleipnir. The sleipnir literally ate any all cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships along with their tech 2 and faction counterparts (yes marauders included) for breakfast lunch and dinner all day long 7 days a week..........But now it's meh... cough, well it can still handle itself okay against groups of tech 1 cruisers and battlecruisers (as Mr. Hyde demonstrated) without ewar, but against marauders . oh please it'll get raped from the front and back side without scratching hull and the same against some faction BS's as well. The nightmare would kite the sleipnir to death before taken any damage. The bhaalghorn would suck it dry using NOS while tanking it until they run out of boosters and die horribly. Which leaves only the machariel to be the only faction BS that the sleipnir could take on in a one vs one scenario (because minmatar and angel ships are the only ships that didn't get any buffs since 2012) But it does makes sense for the marauders since they are tech 2 battleships which are meant to be more powerful than tech 2 battlecruisers, but the difference in power is tremendous. To the point of making no sense in training to fly one when you can train to fly a marauder in the same time span. If you want a fleet booster everyone knows that's tech 3's domain and it'll always be that way unless CCP decides to remove fleet boosting from the tech 3's sub-systems altogether. So is it time for a change for the command ships?? I'd say definitely yes or like the nighthawk the rest of the command ships are relegated to to scrap pile. Or like I stated earlier, it's time for CCP to get rolling and bring out the tech 3 battlecruisers which I'll happily assist with wonderful ideas if needed.

command ships are fine. learn to EVE.

If you had read the devs statement on the CS ships changes. .they stated that they ALL SHOULD BE FRONT LINE SHIPS", and taht is why some got extra resistances while others got more dps

Here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=264775

And commandships are good as they are. They are commandshiphs, not combat ships.

they have combat abilities but their focus is clearly on providing bonuses, this is why they are called command ships and are their own class.
They must never excel at combat or overshadow other ships specialized on combat, they arent meant as superior battle machines, at least this would be very wrong if that was their focus.

And yet NO one ever uses CS for links , people use T3 because they can keep up with fleet and fit more easily. So no.. CS are COMBAT ships.. and almsot every single one used is used because of TANK and dps.