EVE General Discussion

So I was. as usual surfing through dotlan looking for something to take my mind off the tedium that is my job, and I happened upon the Wars page, which I hadn't seen before. I was clicking around through there, and an immediate disparity caught my eye.

Out of the total number of active wars, the number that result in at least one loss mail is less than 5%.

According to Dotlan, there are currently 7,493 active wardecs in New Eden right now.
354 of them have resulted in someone losing something - that's 4.7 odd percent.

To put it another way, it cost 374,650,000,000 (assuming all wars used the minimum cost - the actual figure is going to be higher) ISK to start all of those wars. 357 billion of that ISK may as well have been flushed down the toilet.

This is not to call on CCP to end wardecs. This is a call to CCP to make wardecs actually useful for something besides being an enormous ISK sink for people with too much time and money on their hands. You have established a working group to take a long hard look at nullsec, and the fruits of that labor are now being realized. The time has come for you to do the same for highsec war declarations - make them a tool that's actually worth using for something besides lolz and farming kills.

Only 4.7% lose a ship during a wardec.





I am the 4.7%.

I was discussing the reasons for starting a war in the first place, not necessarily the results of one.


I'd agree with you on both those points. That why I think CCP needs to approach the problem like they did with the nullsec/sov issues. Take a long view, and come up with a solution that make wardecs worth having around, instead of tossing more bandaids att he problem like they did with the last wardec "revamp" (and I use that term very loosely).

There is another reason. Focusing many idiots with too much pride to npc corp to dock up/not play for a week.

A new war gets generated whenever a corp leaves an alliance that's at war. In my experience the wars that result from that are the main source of war reports with zero kills. The kills that happened happened as part of the war with the alliance and the corp dropped out as a result and doesn't log in again until the war is over. It also tends to happen En masse as alliances fail cascade. A single wardec against an alliance can result in a dozen war reports with zero kills because of this.

RvB... proud to be part of the 4.7%! Maybe everyone should have a teapot to fight over.

a lot of wars made are either against
1 carebear corps in hopes of easy kills
2 null alliance corps in hoping when they do come to empire you can kill them
3 wars made against incursion corps to keep someone from running

others as far as empire go are against things like towers and orbital offices

then you have rvb, the people that hate code and some other people.

i cant think of any other reasons.

The core concept underlying war decs is a bit ... problematic.

It would be trivial to make war decs impossible to dodge, but then you know some group of asshats is gonna war dec a bunch of month old players (who would be too poor to hire half decent mercs and too inexperienced to defend themselves) and farm them until they quit and then move on to the next group of woeful poor incompetents.

You could say "HTFU" to the woeful poor incompetents, but we all know ccp wants to keep their sub money.

Or you have the current situation where the vast majority of those that die to war decs are the ones dumb enough to go to a particular market hub in a slow ship, and war decs are otherwise impotent. Meh.

As opposed to what, exactly? Making it easier to camp Jita 4-4 for war targets?

I don't particularly disagree with the whole "player interraction" bit, but let's not eulogize what the vast majority of actual war deccers do.

Edit: To be clear, I have nothing against hisec war dec corps. I think it's just as much a valid play style as hisec mining, and should be granted the same level of consideration.

Then they just cry to CCP to nerf ALL combat ships. Ugh.....