Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The bowhead is now available on Sisi (at least the stats and model are in the game now - not sure if it's seeded yet) as of this morning*. Gorgeous hunk of hauler that it is.

*Or at least I only just noticed it was there this morning.

The ship looks great. I can see no reason to moan about new additions to the space faring family.

Can we have a co-release of a module that acts as an Expanded Cargo Hold for maintenance bays? I want the ability to sacrifice my valuable tank slots for the ability to haul +1-2 bs/t3's.
In the interest of preserving player freedom, I'd like to protect my right to cart around 5 deadspace fit pirate battleships in a 1bil isk cardboard box!
In all seriousness, I'd like to see an additional low slot mod that would allow Orcas, carriers, etc. to increase the size of their fitted ship holds.

Freighters now have the option of sacrificing safety for convenience as the Indies do. Why not the Bowhead too? Make an Expanded Maintenance Bay I and II!

On a related note, SMB's need to have a drop rate.

Right, but how would being able to transport a crap load of rigged cruisers get around the force project nerf? My point was that even if you could ship 42 rigged cruisers or whatever that your force projection hasn't changed. Only the convenience of being able to move those ships has changed.

Far it be from me to tell you guys how to successfully run an empire, but frankly I'd be surprised if you actually were stripping rigs on a massive scale to move things primarily because it seems like it would be easier just to buy in jita/build in empire and ship things to the edge of the war zone rather than all the way from your home systems. But its not like you guys have massive chests full of cash to do that or anything...

Again, I find it odd that you strip/prefit members ships for them. It seems like a waste of time for one/few person to do that when members can fit their own ships (that and the sheer inane boredom of it all). To be fair I don't know the ins and outs of how you guys actually do stuff, but it just seems like you do so incredibly inefficiently from the arguments you make




Why wouldn't you?A few hundred billion in ships mothballed for a few months given the size of your alliance doesn't seem irrational. Given the scope of your alliance and your need to redeploy a lot would mean that over the long term it would be better to save ships in a given spot for future conflicts rather than constantly shipping and reshipping everything around. Fuel isn't free and I'd image that eventually things would wash out especially if you weren't stripping rigs.

I read this at first and I wondered if you had actually gone insane.

Then I realized whose post I was reading, and it made sense.

No, Craven. No alliance can afford to eat a few hundred billion in the red every time they want to move a deployment around. That should be self apparent to all but the most painfully ignorant.

What inefficient is getting everyone to put together their own ships. We have no control over how they fit them, we have no control over what supplies each member has and we have no idea how long it would take them. We centralise everything so its a case of need a ship? Click on the contract and get the correct ship. This is how you wage wars.





We moved twice in the last month. In the long term it is not better to have these cashes of ships scattered everywhere when your war chest is empty because you keep on buying hundreds of billions in gear every time you move. We take vast numbers of ships with us on deployments because we need them. Hell I am even lowballing the number massively. The true price is in the trillions.

In case my alliance ticker has malfunctioned, I am not a Goon. Try to pay attention.

They do that and they get no SRP.




We won the battle of B-R5RB yet still lost 2.5 trillion.

6VDT-H we had 2000 pilots, 900 of which were in megathrons. The fight became known as the flight of a thousand mega.

Both of those were just single battles. When we deploy on a CFC level we need thousands of ships in the initial push with tens of thousands more to keep us going.

it would seem so but then again i do not do wars.
i prefer to be the person gaining lots of isk from others going to war.

Simple answer is the obvious. Yes it is much harder to do contracts of ships and mods than it is to do contracts for fitted ships.

Imagine you have 200 Harpies and fits to do contracts for, to make a contract and manually go through and select each item needed to fit the ship out is a long process (around 8 to 10 mins per ship).
Save the fit in your fitting window, select new Harpy and fit from saved fittings, create contract (around 2 mins total).

As for the members changing the fits once they accept the contract - They don't if they want SRP.