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Vote for Senator Terranid Meester in the YC117 President Elections

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James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#21 - 2014-11-18 02:34:13 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
As a capsuleer I have seen S beams glittering in the dark off the Old Man Star gate, assault ships on fire off the shoulder of Ishaga, things planetary bound civilians wouldn't believe. If the Federation does not stand up for itself then these things will be lost like tears in the rain.

As your first capsuleer President, I will make sure that the sacrifices of the people will not be forgotten while I am in office, those brave souls who took down the Shiigeru shall be remembered with full vigour by showing the galaxy that we are not weakened by despair. We will hunt down the Sansha enslavers, help all brave souls fighting the Caldari wherever we and whenever we can and try to solve the mysteries of the wormholes and their destructive nature as in the Seyliin Incident. We shall seek to engage with The Syndicate and our goals of the destruction of Serpentis shall be remade, how that many serpentis ships continue to intrude into Gallentean belts is a true debacle, that the present administraton has not solved as well as not bringing back our fabled Molyneux solteur titan. Gurista incursions shall also be brought to bear.

I shall seek an end to CONCORD policing as they seem equally incapable of stopping Serpentis, and replace them with the Gallentean Navy, as CONCORD ships were built with gallentean technology they will be immediately confiscated, a solution to Solitudes isolation will be found, an attempt to link it to the Gallentean Federation will be made. Our allies the Minmatar Republic will have our full support and their dedication to ending slavery shall be our dedication too. We shall also reach out to other nations. Science shall be one of our vanguards, I aim to increase spending in military and scientific matters. The limitations on drugs shall be more liberal as there is evidence that not all are as bad as made out to be.

Vote for Terranid Meester, senator of Villore and ask me anything.

Well…
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-11-18 11:59:08 UTC
In the interests of allowing you to enjoy the feel of an actual campaign run:

"I sling mud at thee sir and denounce your campaign with horrid facts dredged up from GalNet and applied in whatever manner best suits my counter-arguments...regardless of context or factual base."

On a more serious note:

Your proposals would exacerbate an already delicate situation and work to destabilize the Federation and its surrounding territories, which is rather the opposite of what the President (or even a senator) is supposed to do.

For starters, you are pledging to commit the Federal Navy and military forces against not one, not two, not even three...but no less than five enemies at once with "renewed vigor." If such an effort were even remotely possible, it would have been tried already. However, simple math would reveal that we not only do not have the numbers for such a broad stroking campaign, but the number of fronts on which such a campaign would be conducted would spread our already existing forces so thin that we'd have trouble just maintaining border security. Assuming you'd counter this with, "we'll target them one at a time," an understanding of intergalactic politics and powers would show you that the moment you turn your ire toward one, the others will have a knife at your throat.

Second, one of the peoples you're suggesting we combat with renewed vigor is the Caldari. The very same group of people that we are slowly beginning to see strides toward peace with. Why would you seek to endanger this and further deteriorate our already tenuous relationship with our neighbors? I assure you that both sides have seen quite enough of this conflict and have no desire to see it continue.

Third, you mention seeking an end to CONCORD? CONCORD was formed under cooperation from all five empires and operates as an arbiter for international disputes and policies. It has, on more than one occasion, been a major factor in preventing all-out war between empires. The policing aspect you are referring to is the jurisdiction of the DED (a branch of CONCORD) and is actually responsible for high-profile criminal tracking and prosecution and assisting in security. Your attempt to disassemble CONCORD would require the Federation breaching several contracts and treaties as well as withdrawing from the SCC. This would isolate the Federation in terms of intergalactic politics and economy...

Lastly, it is somewhat ironic that you seem to have so much hostility toward the Serpentis and yet you wish to reduce the regulation on drugs. Serpentis is primarily an R&D corporation with known ties to neural boosters and other similar drugs which is why it is largely persecuted in "legitimate" business circles and considered a "pirate" organization. Any president or senator seeking to relax the regulations on drugs would benefit from improving relations with the Serpentis...

...not that you would ever consider such an arrangement, right?

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
#23 - 2014-11-18 12:15:08 UTC
In his defense, mister Antolliere, legalizing boosters probably would be an effective way to kill Serpentis stone dead, considering it would instantly shatter their monopoly on by far the most lucrative export they have.

It would just have the unpleasant side effect of, well, boosters being legal.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-11-18 12:27:23 UTC
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
In his defense, mister Antolliere, legalizing boosters probably would be an effective way to kill Serpentis stone dead, considering it would instantly shatter their monopoly on by far the most lucrative export they have.

It would just have the unpleasant side effect of, well, boosters being legal.


Not entirely, Mademoiselle Ikiryo.

The problem with tackling a monopoly is that they already have control over the market. Even if the boosters that are currently illegal were legalized, Serpentis already has a controlling share of the research, materials and partners interested in the market. Not to mention a sizable financial foundation which would allow them to undercut and corner any up-and-coming competitor should the market be opened.

What would more likely happen if boosters were legalized would be Serpentis expanding its already sizable market operations into Federal space through its no doubt already existing connections within Federal space, provide incentives to partnering as a distributor or manufacturer and throwing its considerable financial backing behind politicians and lobbyists that would help shape Federal law and procedure to its benefit as well as isolate and undercut any company that refused to partner with them.

If nothing else, Salvador Sarpati has proven to be a cunning businessman and I have difficulty believing that legalizing one area of his operation would topple his empire.


"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-11-19 08:00:27 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
... those brave souls who took down the Shiigeru ...


Naming these criminals as "brave souls"? Really?...
Guess we might have another gallentean terrorist as a president. Gallentes love their racists and terrorists, and this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Laurentis Thiesant
Institute of Social Development
#26 - 2014-11-19 11:36:40 UTC
Liam Antolliere wrote:
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
In his defense, mister Antolliere, legalizing boosters probably would be an effective way to kill Serpentis stone dead, considering it would instantly shatter their monopoly on by far the most lucrative export they have.

It would just have the unpleasant side effect of, well, boosters being legal.


Not entirely, Mademoiselle Ikiryo.

The problem with tackling a monopoly is that they already have control over the market. Even if the boosters that are currently illegal were legalized, Serpentis already has a controlling share of the research, materials and partners interested in the market. Not to mention a sizable financial foundation which would allow them to undercut and corner any up-and-coming competitor should the market be opened.

What would more likely happen if boosters were legalized would be Serpentis expanding its already sizable market operations into Federal space through its no doubt already existing connections within Federal space, provide incentives to partnering as a distributor or manufacturer and throwing its considerable financial backing behind politicians and lobbyists that would help shape Federal law and procedure to its benefit as well as isolate and undercut any company that refused to partner with them.

If nothing else, Salvador Sarpati has proven to be a cunning businessman and I have difficulty believing that legalizing one area of his operation would topple his empire.




Comrades please,

Lets not let a poor candidate cloud us to the potential of good policy. Firstly I'll make the point that booster legalisation should never be a matter of simply turning a tap from off to on, that won't work. In fact as I've stated previously in this place, the capsuleer population should be allowed to trial relaxed regulation first so as to take advantage of the medical and psychological benefits that their station and infomorphic nature allows them.

Secondly, I disagree wholeheartedly with M. Antolliere's attack on the strength and complexity of the free market. We know that new companies are founded everyday, challenging established players and building consumer bases all across not only our Federation, but the greater cluster as well. Through an appropriate approach to deregulation, market investment will operate in the same manner here as it does in every other industry in Gallente space. Further I dare say the Serpentis Corporation will have significant roadblocks to market participation based on their criminal history both related to current drug laws and other offences committed by their employees, associates, and leadership.

I believe in the market which has built the most economically prosperous nation in the cluster. Our values have been proven correct by our financial success above all others, and it is our values that will allow a robust and competitive industry to emerge should legislative change take place.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-11-19 11:52:52 UTC
Monsieur Thiesant,

I have perhaps misrepresented myself through my argument, I have absolute faith in the free market economy.

What I was pointing out is that our free market economy has in place regulations against monopolizing an area of the market, something the Serpentis Corporation has not had to contend with.

Further, the primary difference between new businesses springing up in our economy and what would transpire during deregulation is research and material monopolizing. New legal businesses that arise are protected by both the anti-monopoly regulations and the availability of both the research and development and materials required to provided whatever product or service they are marketing. To date, only those businesses which already have ties to the Serpentis Corporation would have any access to the R&D and materials for mass booster production, not to mention the necessity to create boosters (and other products) with enough efficacy to compete with what is already on the market.

Could a business spring up to compete with Serpentis? Absolutely. Would it be easy? Not in the slightest.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#28 - 2014-11-19 13:23:50 UTC
Too much talk of booster legalisation in this thread.
It's a silly idea, no point in discussing it.

Talk about Quafe instead.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#29 - 2014-11-19 13:53:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
Liam Antolliere wrote:

For starters, you are pledging to commit the Federal Navy and military forces against not one, not two, not even three...but no less than five enemies at once with "renewed vigor."


Forgive me, how many enemies would you like us to have?

To consider Serpentis a corporation, is to consider Sanshas Nation a utopian society, Serpentis are terrorists. Nothing less. This is why allies matter, would Serpentis be able to live as long if the Angel Cartel, were not around? Our increased co-operation with the Republic and Intaki Syndicate can help both our ends, putting a sword through the gullet of the Cartel and Serpentis. Now some might say that I am warmongering, but if they bothered to watch the news and came out of their dank basements to look at the galaxy, would see that we are already at war!

Some would say that we would be diverting resources, to chase after Serpentis and secure the borders against Guristas, but we already are securing our borders against Caldari and Guristas incursions and we already have a military presence in the regions that are closer to Serpentis. If we were to invade Fountain, from Solitude we could take out the Serpentis leadership and find the Molyneux, which would be a great asset in our fight against the State. Obliterating Serpentis from the free markets should also be considered. Sanctions, blacklisting and blockades should all be considered. In regards to boosters, we already have synthetic ones available legally, however capsuleers seem to be producing more and more of the illegal kind, and the technology that they and I for being one of them, means that there are no true disadvantages not to use them. Boosters that are legal could help our economy and as a free and fairly liberal society, the Federation as a whole should consider them.


Liam Antolliere wrote:

Third, you mention seeking an end to CONCORD? CONCORD was formed under cooperation from all five empires and operates as an arbiter for international disputes and policies. It has, on more than one occasion, been a major factor in preventing all-out war between empires. The policing aspect you are referring to is the jurisdiction of the DED (a branch of CONCORD) and is actually responsible for high-profile criminal tracking and prosecution and assisting in security. Your attempt to disassemble CONCORD would require the Federation breaching several contracts and treaties as well as withdrawing from the SCC. This would isolate the Federation in terms of intergalactic politics and economy...


As for withdrawing from CONCORD, you will find that not everyone is part of CONCORD, no CONCORD in Syndicate or the Jovian Directorate and as far as I am concerned CONCORD is not efficient and have been made irrelevant anyway. Since it is responsible to preventing all out war, I would think that the current war means that it has failed, don't you think? Treaties regarding CONCORD can be renegotiated.
Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#30 - 2014-11-19 14:43:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Monsieur Meester,

I appreciate your response.

Unfortunately, it has only reinforced my original concerns. It is not a matter of how many enemies we have it is a matter of how we are engaging those enemies. Your suggestions involve diverting already allocated military assets toward an offensive campaign without freeing those assets up from their current allocation.

Allow me to explain in more detail:

  • The Federation (like any national entity) has a limited number of military assets
  • Those assets are already deployed in active duty against already existing threats


In order to begin an offensive campaign, you will have to do one of two things:

  • Divert existing military assets to your campaign, thus withdrawing them from their current deployment
  • Obtain additional military assets


To the former, you cannot simply take currently deployed assets and divert them elsewhere without creating a vulnerability where there was none before. It's like removing a plug from a leak in order to plug another leak, it accomplishes nothing.

To the latter, military service in the Federation is voluntary. Unless you wish to conscript individuals into military service to power your campaign. I would suggest you carefully consider the difficulties of such a suggestion if that's your intention.

To your talk of allies:

The Republic is waging its own war and one that it is in no better position to abandon or divert resources away from than the Federation is. It is either incredibly dismissive of their own situation or willfully ignorant of the reality of the situation to expect any assistance from them if we start metaphorically kicking in the doors of our enemies.

We could eventually consider the State an ally in the war against terrorism and piracy except that your original campaign suggestion involved reinforcing that conflict as well. So rather than making another potential ally, you're wanting to reinforce already existing conflicts.

As for the Intaki Syndicate, have you discussed your desire to increase cooperation with them? Let us not forget why it exists to begin with. Furthermore, the Syndicate is home to the operations of the very same pirate groups you're talking about eliminating and it benefits from their business and their presence. You're essentially asking a group of people who exist because we cast them out for differing opinions to put their trust in the Federation and forsake their current bedfellows in place of us.

On to CONCORD:

Let me reiterate that CONCORD was written into existence by the five empires, including the Federation. Withdrawing from CONCORD would be a breach of contract and a violation of international treaty. Renegotiating with CONCORD would require the approval of the other sitting members of the CONCORD assembly, namely the other empires - two of which you are suggesting we renew our conflicts with. If you cannot understand why either of these is a horridly bad idea then you shouldn't be campaigning to begin with.

And the current "war?" The capsuleer war put into place by CEWPA (another treaty the Federation signed, by the way) was established to prevent a full break out of war between the empires by limiting it to a proxy war of attrition fought by immortals and only in regulated war zones rather than national space.

In summary:

You will not have my vote.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#31 - 2014-11-19 15:08:47 UTC
Liam has my vote.... well, in sprit anyway. Being Minmatar, I can't actually vote in Federal elections. Also, Terranid, leave the cartel alone. They're not hurtin' nothing.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#32 - 2014-11-19 15:42:52 UTC
Hey look, an idiot!

Who would have thought you'd find one of those running for Federation President?

Katrina Oniseki

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#33 - 2014-11-25 03:39:05 UTC
The Federation's assets are of course limited, to a degree. However what people do not know is that the Federation does have reserves and also there is the fact that Caldari Prime is ours once more, this has put less pressure on our military though I realize there are other considerations. Not ALL our military assets are deployed in a way where they can do good.

I am not saying we should push forward through Caldari space, into Uedama, New Caldari and Jita among others. We have Caldari Prime once more, and our defences around Luminaire are considerably beefed up compared to the past. A sustained campaign towards other strategic objectives such as finding and taking back the Molyneux, would help us in other areas.

Confiscation of CONCORD equipment would considering their many failures, be a blessing on the Federation both in military and civil matters. Since our borders are already defended against Caldari incursions, its only right that Guristas incursions should also be curtailed since they generally come from the direction of the State anyway.

Regarding conscription, I only believe that unless there is dire need of them, then it should not be reintroduced. I prefer to believe that an individual should willingly volunteer for military duties as that in the end makes for better soldiers all round, but lets not let our beliefs cloud the realities of war. Maybe conscription is needed, but the Senate as a whole will have to agree for and against it.

While the Syndicate is indeed a sanctuary for less lawful members of society, I believe that co-operation with the Federation would benefit them more. The Syndicate can be reconciled with, I believe this, does not the same blood run through our veins? If we left CONCORD, who are others to demand their approval? We are a democratic society, if we choose to leave, we leave. Asking the Caldari if they approve, would be an insult to those who died on Caldari Prime, fighting and ultimately defeating the oppressors, while the Jovian Directorate has not been very forthcoming of late regarding matters of any kind, and let us not forget the Thukker attack on Yulai, I doubt the Minmatar are as fond of the CONCORD Assembly as you think they are, unless you think the destruction of a CONCORD station under the withering firepower of naglfar's to be a friendly pat? Luminaire is not national space? You should learn to use a starmap.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#34 - 2014-11-25 04:02:03 UTC
Are you on crash or have you been doing hard time?

The Senate took one look at the losses suffered during Operation Highlander and the failure of their ground campaign to take the planet and they signed an armistice. You don't have Caldari Prime. You have the space around Caldari Prime - outside the ring patrolled by Mordus Legion.

As for pushing to New Caldari... "We have reserves" indeed! If you have 'em, that'd be the fastest way to use 'em up! The Caldari Navy would hand you the kind of whipping that'd make the Elders feel better about themselves.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-11-25 04:14:48 UTC
Miracles count as good luck, right? Because you'll need one. So, good luck with the campaign.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#36 - 2014-11-25 05:02:18 UTC
Meester, what you are proposing is the downfall of your Federation. You believe that the Federation's reserves and military might can swiftly defeat the Caldari State, and in turn you open your Federation to other threats like our allies in the Empire. I apologize for my bluntness, but I will have to disagree with Oniseki-haani, you are not an idiot, rather you are quite insane and very naive.

Ishukone Loyalist - Private Contractor

"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."

Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#37 - 2014-11-25 05:24:42 UTC
Obvious farce is farcical.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2014-11-25 08:16:37 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
Obvious farce is farcical.


So, this is humour? A deliberate attempt to cause amusement? I feel silly, now.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
#39 - 2014-11-25 08:27:49 UTC
Anja Suorsa wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Boo! Hiss! Democracy! Boo!

Why can't we have nice things? Like anarchy! Anarchy sounds cool. Is it too much to ask?


You should vote for this guy, he's talking about extending the Capsuleer War and initiating further official hostilities between the Federation and State at the same time as removing Concord's presence.

You'd have anarchy within about six weeks.


Six weeks? You've been a Capsuleer long enough to know it would take all of six minutes.

For some, it may take 4 hours, or perhaps as much as 24.
Anja Suorsa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-11-25 11:37:58 UTC
How did you come to that conclusion? Without CONCORD, war declarations are literally just words. Meaningless ones at that. With no organisation to mete out punishment, besides that of other capsuleers, attacks would happen within minutes.
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