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Dev blog: Thera and the Shattered Wormholes

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#261 - 2014-11-18 00:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ned Thomas
DaReaper wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one

Jack Hayson wrote:

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)

false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold.



see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows


When they announced the Prospect, Fozzie stated that an expedition frigate made for mining ice was a definite possibility. Fingers crossed.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#262 - 2014-11-18 01:45:00 UTC
I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production.

thoughts?

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2014-11-18 01:53:09 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production.

thoughts?


Value wise, it'd be a waste of time. But I get a kick out of mining in dangerous areas. Before they made the Prospect a thing, I enjoyed taking a venture out in to lowsec and down into wormholes just to see if I'd survive. I enjoy doing so with the Prospect even more. Don't know why, it's just my thing. I could make much more money simply mining in high sec.

Ice mining in lowsec and wormholes in a frigate sounds fun to me. I'm an odd duck though.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#264 - 2014-11-18 04:19:13 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:

3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg
6,815,000 kg for a legion.
440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.

A Legion is quite a bit heavier than 6,815 tons. T3s weigh about 14-15 Gt. (you need to account for subsystem mass)
Wormhole total mass varies by about 10%, so you have to assume that worst case you only get 2,700 Gt of mass so roughly 180 T3s and logis on a one way trip.
Anyway, showing up in random parts of space to blow stuff up is something wormholers already do. You don't need Thera for that. (You also don't need hundreds of T3s for that either)

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)



Thanks thought that seamed light but didnt have the client so just looked up the legion hull.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#265 - 2014-11-18 05:05:10 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't know what Ice mining is like, or any mining, aside from some lol mining drones with trip rattlesnakes in a rookie system. is an expedition ice mining frigate anything to be excited about? it sounds to me like a huge time sink to mine ice with a wormhole between runs. doesn't strike me as appealing enough to compete with high sec mining and production.

thoughts?



isk wise no not as profitable as i am sure the mac will still out mine an ice mining, however, if you have a small fleet and happen to find a frig hole you can mine, you could pull in enough ice to maybe make you not have to do a fuel run for a few days or a few weeks depending on how quite the system is.

i'm mostly pointing out that adding ice to a system that you can not mine ice in... is stupid.

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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2014-11-18 11:05:48 UTC
How will you mine ice in the 25 frigate only wormholes? Or will those allow barges into them?
The page of information did say they'd have the same feature as the 75 other shattered wormhole wormholes.
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#267 - 2014-11-18 11:26:55 UTC
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.

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King Fu Hostile
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Shadow Cartel
#268 - 2014-11-18 11:27:26 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one

Jack Hayson wrote:

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)

false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold.



see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows


No idea what would make that a huge oversight, unless you have a very serious case of OCD.

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#269 - 2014-11-18 12:20:02 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.

How would that help with mining ice in the 25 small holes?
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#270 - 2014-11-18 12:21:45 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one
Jack Hayson wrote:

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)

false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold.

see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows

No idea what would make that a huge oversight, unless you have a very serious case of OCD.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#271 - 2014-11-18 17:39:32 UTC
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.


Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it"

I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer.

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#272 - 2014-11-18 18:23:13 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.


Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it"

I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer.



or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there.
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#273 - 2014-11-18 18:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Dwissi
DaReaper wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.


Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it"

I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer.


edited out - wrong thought

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#274 - 2014-11-19 03:13:46 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.


Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it"

I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer.



or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there.



this is true, but at the same time its a bit mm annoying lol.

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#275 - 2014-11-19 05:48:22 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Dwissi wrote:
You seem to forget that there are stations in Thera. So as long as you can manage to get all components into it you can easily build your barges in Thera - no need to haul them.


Thera deosn;t have ice. The other 100 systems do. 25 of which are small frigate only holes, a barge is 10m kg a frig is 2m kg, a barge can not fit into a small hole. As only barges can mine ice, then there are going to be 25 holes with a feature that we as players can not use. Either someone did not stop and think and go 'oh wait, they can't mine that ice... doh' or 'oh these 25 holes don't have ice in them.. yea I forgot to fix the blog' or 'we are going to announce something so you can mine that ice (new mining frig, ice miner laser, something) but we are not ready to share it"

I just really want acknowledgement that ccp see that it has been brought up. I'm hoping by the end of the week after eve down under we will have an answer.



or ccp just copy pasted the wh 100 times then on 25 of them gave the bonus and restricted the size. To much work to remove the ice belts as they aren't hurting anything in there.



this is true, but at the same time its a bit mm annoying lol.



Its ccp it will be fixed. maybe by the 20th anniversary of eve.
Elana Apgar
Allspark Industries
#276 - 2014-11-19 06:05:15 UTC
I love the idea of shattered wormholes, but I think there's one thing that's being overlooked.

Shattered wormholes have ice, but the frigate sized shattered wormholes will not allow any ships to pass through that are capable of harvesting ice.

There should either be a mining frigate that is specifically designed to do ice harvesting, or the prospect should be modified to allow for ice harvesting as well. It's got a decent enough ore hold, and to prevent it from being too over powered, you could only allow it to have one ice harvester equipped and usable or come out with ice harvesting turrets.

Without a frigate sized ice harvester, you will be denying daring explorers and industrialists alike the opportunity (ie content) to do ice harvesting in those 25 systems.
Dwissi
Miners Delight Reborn
#277 - 2014-11-19 06:50:01 UTC
I still dont see the ice problem. There are no moons or planets - so no POS , no PI and no need for ice either. Just because its there doesnt require it to be mined.

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CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#278 - 2014-11-19 12:54:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Fozzie
The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time.

For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug.

If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button.
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Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#279 - 2014-11-19 14:04:33 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time.

For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug.

If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button.
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#280 - 2014-11-19 14:21:07 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
The small ship shattered wormhole systems will contain an ice field, just like the other shattered wormholes. You won't be able to mine the ice in the small ship shattered wormhole systems at this time.

For anyone wondering, this isn't a copy paste issue. We did (a small amount of) extra work to put the ice fields into these wormholes, their presence is intended and is not a bug.

If the presence of the ice in those systems offends you greatly, I advise right clicking on that particular anomaly and pressing the "Ignore" button.
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