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Stackable GCC

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Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-11-18 19:26:23 UTC
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic.
Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now.
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.
It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player.

So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today.
Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way.

So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE.


/Fenix Neutrino
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#2 - 2014-11-18 19:45:05 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic.
Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now.
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.
It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player.

So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today.
Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way.

So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE.


/Fenix Neutrino


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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2014-11-18 19:45:06 UTC
Sigh, you obviously have no clue so I wont even try. Lets just leave it at no.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-11-18 19:45:24 UTC
what "problem" are you trying to solve again?
Foreman Yang
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-18 19:51:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Foreman Yang
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Since there are are players that want to rebalance all defenseless ships in high sec I have a possible solution to this.

If CCP choose to listen to the ganker side of EVE they should also introduce a stackable GCC that should work like the jump fatigue mechanic.
Maybe not exactly like the fatigue counter but it should give stackable punishment so gankers need to pick their victim instead of mass ganking as they do now.
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.
It's not fair that it pays that much to be a criminal and gank, die, repeat infinite since repeated criminal activity doesn't have any form of impact on the criminal player.

So some form of stackable GCC is needed to balance the criminals advantage they have today.
Right now the defender is always the last part to pull the trigger since Concord protects criminal in an unfair way.

So if defenseless ships are being rebalanced this stackable is a good rebalance to the life of being a criminal in EVE.


/Fenix Neutrino



Oh dear. Another nerf ganking thread. Contrary to what the general high sec bear population might lead you to believe, NO ship is ever completely defenseless. Dozens of pages worth of comments have been made in these forums on how to defend yourself against ganks. You're right though. "It's not fair" that you should have to think while playing this game. MOAR NERFS PLZ
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#6 - 2014-11-18 20:30:32 UTC
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
It's not fair that a ganker can travel high sec in his/her pod if sec status is -10 with no punishment at all.

This is a common misconception. Pilots at -5 and below travel through hisec at the risk of getting any ships they are piloting destroyed by NPCS or players, and the risk of having any pods destroyed by players as well. This severely limits their gameplay options to the point where pretty much all they can do in space in hisec is suicide gank; they can't stay in space in a ship long enough to effectively do anything else. That's a considerable punishment.

I find the rules of hisec rather poetic actually: suicide gank too much and eventually that's all you can do.

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Doomheim
#7 - 2014-11-18 20:34:32 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
the risk of having any pods destroyed by players as well


I shot the pod of an outlaw trying to dock up in a trade hub. He lost 2.4 billion isk worth of implants. How is that for punishment?
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#8 - 2014-11-18 21:09:07 UTC
Posts like this are a cancer on the forums, and require chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is painful.

The doctor in this case prescribes that three innocent carebears will be killed, and they will be told the ship losses are entirely due to this post. Maybe you will find it in your heart to reimburse their losses.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#9 - 2014-11-18 22:06:07 UTC
Agree with OP...should be much harsher consequences for repeat criminals. Instead of 15 minutes, how about 15 hours for -10s?
Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2014-11-18 22:54:28 UTC
Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry?
That just shows what ppl that plays EVE.

But on topic.

Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept?
Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together?

It's really to easy today to be a criminal, you have nothing that force you to select your target before gank.
You can mass gank and that's wrong.
If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc.

As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers.

Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts?
What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank?
Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec?

If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look?
Michael Ignis Archangel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-11-18 23:07:14 UTC
Fine then, on topic.

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept?


Because no NPC's pod you. Has been forever-ever. Next.

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together?


Incorrect. It is. You're unable to fly a ship in high-sec for 15 minutes. The time frame is 15 minutes. Next.

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

It's really to easy today to be a criminal,


Really? Enthrall me with your attempts and mastery of it.

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

You can mass gank and that's wrong.


The mass ganking of NPC's continues unabated. Think of the red crosses' children!

Fenix Neutrino wrote:

If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc.

As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers.

Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts?
What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank?
Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec?

If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look?


Oh dear, I've run out of quotes.

All of Eve is unsafe. The lack of safety has different manifestations, and different counters to them.

The game is fair - the smarter, more knowledgeable, better-prepared, and more extensively allied win.

You do have to select your targets - an untanked Covetor versus a brick-Skiff require vastly different approaches.

Working as intended, wise up, dropping mic now.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#12 - 2014-11-18 23:11:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry?
That just shows what ppl that plays EVE.

But on topic.

Why is it fair that -10 sec stat can travel freely in pod without Concord or police to intercept?
Why is it fair that repeated criminal behaviour wihtin a time frame is not stacked together?
What is this fair you're talking about?
What harm can a -10 do with a pod?
Why should GCC timers stack? At most a ganker can hit 4 targets an hour, they're probably outside for less than 5 minutes in any one hour.

Quote:
It's really to easy today to be a criminal, you have nothing that force you to select your target before gank.
You can mass gank and that's wrong.
If you want to mass gank, go to null or something. In high sec it should be harder for mass ganks that are repeated over and over again with the same character etc.
If it's so easy why are there so few doing it? Highsec may have different mechanics but it's just as much a PvP environment as nullsec, or anywhere else.

Quote:
As soon as someone try to talk about a problem that exists that gives gankers an unfair advantage they puke all over their computers.
Everybody has the same tools, the problem that you see as an unfair advantage isn't a game problem, it's a people problem. The advantage that gankers have largely disappears when people tank their ships, don't go afk/ AP.

Quote:
Why don't you want a fair game on booth parts?
What are you afraid of if you need to think about the victim before a gank?
Yes, you can't gank all day long and why should you be able to do that when in high sec?
Why shouldn't it go on in highsec?
Highsec is where all the loot is, where people think it's a good idea to transport 10B+ on AP, highsec is where the people who can't be bothered to be ATK and refuse to tank their ships are.

It's a target rich environment

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If there is a problem with tanked mining ships that you so eager want to nerf why shouldn't the criminal GCC have a look?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2014-11-18 23:12:55 UTC
Freaking news flash:

Criminal activity in EVE is a type of gameplay, it is intended for people to be able to do it. It is not an actual crime.

If the point was for people to not engage in criminal activity CCP could trivially remove the ability of players to shoot eachother in whatever type of place they wanted to. Also seeing as you clearly have no god damned idea how gankers actually behave I suggest trying "mass ganking" random targets and seeing how profitable that actually is.
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-11-18 23:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry?
That just shows what ppl that plays EVE.
You are obviously already angry, we don't need to try.
All this shows is in EVE there are the players that whine and the players that laugh at them.
You are whining we are laughing at you.

As has been suggested go try to gank and come back and demonstrate to us how easy it is, until then you have no say in the matter.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-11-18 23:26:56 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Freaking news flash:

Criminal activity in EVE is a type of gameplay, it is intended for people to be able to do it. It is not an actual crime.

If the point was for people to not engage in criminal activity CCP could trivially remove the ability of players to shoot eachother in whatever type of place they wanted to. Also seeing as you clearly have no god damned idea how gankers actually behave I suggest trying "mass ganking" random targets and seeing how profitable that actually is.


So you really think that just because they allow criminal activity as a part of the game it should never change at all?
I think boot sides need a constant look at all mechanics etc.

As long as one part tries to keep the other part silent there will be no fair game play.
I listen all kind of sides in EVE so this was just a suggestion from me.
Sasha Cohenberg
Cohenberg's Ethical Hauling
Freighter Friends
#16 - 2014-11-18 23:30:22 UTC
Why should we get stackable timers for whenever we want to pvp. It's bad enough already that I have to wait 15 minutes to engage another honorable warrior in space bushido.
Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-11-18 23:30:39 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
Yes, try to get me angry and see if I really get angry?
That just shows what ppl that plays EVE.
You are obviously already angry, we don't need to try.
All this shows is in EVE there are the players that whine and the players that laugh at them.
You are whining we are laughing at you.

As has been suggested go try to gank and come back and tell us how easy it is.


That's good ;)
Keep laughing and we might get a better world.

I'm not a criminal so that will never happen.

And still, it was just a suggestion and nothing else so keep the whining to yourself ;)
Paranoid Loyd
#18 - 2014-11-18 23:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
it was just a suggestion
Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Fenix Neutrino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-11-18 23:37:08 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Fenix Neutrino wrote:
it was just a suggestion
Based off your grossly ignorant misrepresentation of reality. Learn how the mechanics work before you pass judgement. If you took the time to learn the mechanics you would understand it is balanced, more so now than ever.


And it's not that's why I came with that suggestion.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#20 - 2014-11-18 23:42:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
The game has over the years constantly changed in favor of harsher and harsher penalties for gankers. The penalties that exist now are more severe than they have ever been and concord has always gotten more and more powerful, in fact it's literally against the rules to not be killed by them.

There aren't even two sides to it, ganking has never gotten buffed, concord hasn't evern had its response times increased or capabilities reduced, just more penalties, more effective concord, shorter response times, nowadays you're even magically prevented from warping while GCC. Ganking for profit is much, much more difficult and expensive than it was even a few years ago.

Gankers have endured more direct nerfs to their playstyle than any other group of players in the game, the fact that they continue to make a profit in spite of that is a testament to their dedication and you don't find them endlessly whining on the forums to get the game changed to penalize other players because they dislike their gameplay style.

Those people are freaking saints. They take an endless shitting on from CCP and rather than complaining about it they adapt and soldier on, all the while other people who don't respect their right to play the game how they please petition CCP to make the game worse for the gankers.

Shove off, and take your desire to have other people arbitrarily punished for playing the game in a way you don't like back under whatever rocked you crawled from under.
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