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Suggestion for CCP regarding Thera

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#21 - 2014-11-18 20:54:15 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore?

We do, for lancing carebears with our ishkurs...Cry

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Caviar Liberta
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Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-11-18 21:02:50 UTC
I saw walking in station and stopped reading.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#23 - 2014-11-18 21:55:18 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore?

We do, for lancing carebears with our ishkurs...Cry


Enjoy it while it lasts. New Ishkur is less lance, more antenna.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-11-18 23:11:59 UTC
Getting trade goods into Thera is a small issue. People will find a way.

If people cannot buy goods and then undock with some reasonable chance of success,
very little buying will occur. That is a bigger problem.

It will become Hotel California for almost everything that people move there.

just sayin
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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#25 - 2014-11-19 01:48:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this


Fozzie referred to it as this when he announced it and that is why the players are referring to it as such, however this is just what they gave us tools to create weather we use them as such they leave up to us

Quite correct.
People keep focus on the "Jita" part of that statement and ignore the ramifications of what he meant when he added "without Concord".

Jita is iconic for two things:
1: Being the largest trade hub in EVE.
2: Being the most active system in EVE.

Yes, those two things are related, but consider that Thera may well rival (or even surpass) Jita in activity even if it never approaches it as far as trade is concerned.

Also consider that Fozzie may have been simply implying that if Jita were to lose Concord protection for some reason it would quickly turn into nothing more than a slaughter house and most of it's open market activity would quickly cease to exist... much like many are anticipating Thera to become.

The only difference being that while the mayhem in Jita would only last until people established a new trade hub elsewhere, Thera has the added long term appeal of being connected to everywhere for travel and conquest... as well as being an ideal environment for bloodletting in and of itself.

I believe (unless something more is revealed) that thinking of Thera as a trade/industrial hub is somewhat akin to looking to looking through the wrong end of a telescope. Not only are you not seeing the big picture, but you're looking in the wrong direction to see it's true beauty.

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CCP Falcon
#26 - 2014-11-19 01:53:53 UTC
You guys made Jita 4-4 a trade hub, not us.

Before that, you guys made Yulai X a trade hub, not us.

We don't decide where stuff happens, it's up to you guys.

Well, except on the forums, which is why I'm moving this to Features & Ideas Discussion.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#27 - 2014-11-19 02:09:59 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system.

Do you know this or are you assuming? I seem to remember someone saying the mass limits on the highsec and lowsec holes was not high enough for them to fit through.

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-11-19 02:23:51 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system.

Do you know this or are you assuming? I seem to remember someone saying the mass limits on the highsec and lowsec holes was not high enough for them to fit through.


He knows this, because he quotes what dev said about it. Ship up to a freighter will be able to use wh's in/from thera, capitals are to big though

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#29 - 2014-11-19 03:18:23 UTC
I do like the idea of giving specific bonuses to Thera for polarized weapons!
Don't care much about walking in stations...
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#30 - 2014-11-19 04:09:21 UTC
Thera will be a great place to stage fleets of small ships in, then when an exit opens up to an area of nullsec you want to project force into, you ping on alliance Jabber, get everyone to jump clone to Thera and get into one of the harassing ships.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#31 - 2014-11-19 05:08:00 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
I love all these dreams about Thera being some form of trade hub.

Let's be real. This is Eve. Every station will be camped 23.5/7 by people who only know how to win via docking games, and in the long term, it will wind up being just another rarely used system.

It's a waste of Dev time.



Not ture it will more likely be held by one large group and used by them as they camp anyone else either in station or on wh

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Pandemic Legion
#32 - 2014-11-19 07:03:40 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I love all these dreams about Thera being some form of trade hub.

Let's be real. This is Eve. Every station will be camped 23.5/7 by people who only know how to win via docking games, and in the long term, it will wind up being just another rarely used system.

It's a waste of Dev time.



Not ture it will more likely be held by one large group and used by them as they camp anyone else either in station or on wh


Well then, time to make their life as hard as possible, right? I mean, if one large group of players you don't like ruins the place you like, it should be easy to find like-minded to fight them. Content created™.

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#33 - 2014-11-19 07:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
CCP Falcon wrote:

Before that, you guys made Yulai X a trade hub, not us.


Yeah well, wasn't Yulai connected to a lot of high-sec through regional stargates that CCP deleted?

Isn't Thera intended somehow, at least on some level, to be a trade hub? Didn't you give it the caracteristics to make sure it had all its chances to be a trade hub? (Stations in W-space, lots of statics, huge size, etc...)

Sure, in definitive, players will make the result happen or not, but the devs are making design decisions that are heavily influencing things.

Edit: For the sake of objectivity, I must point out that indeed Jita is 100% player-made Big smile

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Michal Jita
Lords Of The Universe
#34 - 2014-11-19 07:12:29 UTC
There is one thing that SHOULD be done, blue sleeper loot need to have NPC buy orders in Thera otherwise what's the point of a WH trade hub with no access to selling sleeper loot?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-11-19 07:20:52 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer


"Blighted" Weapons are already in game, released, and on the market for sale in Jita. They are called polarized weapons.

Sincerely,
Someone who reads.

(The polarised weaponry info was, among being a dev blog, and mentioned all over the forums, a launcher splashscreen a week ago)
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#36 - 2014-11-19 10:00:15 UTC
Amarrian Cougar wrote:
Dear CCP,

If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"

1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.

2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.


These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.


Sincerely,
Just another capsuleer


1. So you want to remove the full walking in stations experience from other stations? Sign me up! I hate when I accidentally hit that button and start loading all sorts of useless graphics. +1

2. They're no blighted, and they're already released. That ship sailed. Not that these weapons are terribly useful for anything other than structure grinds.


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Kaos Maximo
Shadow Legion X
Seriously Suspicious
#37 - 2014-11-21 08:15:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaos Maximo
I really hope you guys fix the actual WH entrance in thera, last 2 days i came in Sisi to see if i get one WH to a C5 i just founed K-space entrances.... now thats just... dumb

Being in W-space with no connections to other WH systems thats just not right...

Would be good if you guys have like statics to K-space (high, low and null) and also statics to C1,2,3,4,5 or/and 6

Otherwise being there with only entrances from K-space would be a total FAIL to the actual goal of this awesome new system

And yes, there will be activity, i just cant wait to see it as a central base for manufacturing/selling T3s and cap parts for other WH corps :9 or looking at it as a shortcut to lower or higher WH class systems for pvp or pve

Pls do this right CCP
Alundil
Rolled Out
#38 - 2014-11-21 15:09:04 UTC
Michal Jita wrote:
There is one thing that SHOULD be done, blue sleeper loot need to have NPC buy orders in Thera otherwise what's the point of a WH trade hub with no access to selling sleeper loot?

Nope - haul it out like everyone else. Or sell to buy orders (I'm sure that there will be many) from players who ARE willing to ship it out.

I'm right behind you
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