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Need help deciding what to train for running c4's
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Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#1 - 2014-11-18 00:19:01 UTC
Hello, I currently training several characters on multiple accounts to run c3/c4 and if possible c5's. One of the characters will be a siege/skirmish/armor booster. I'm training 3 more for either the nightmare/paladin or RR Dominix . I'm having trouble deciding which route to train for atm as I'm finishing up on my shield/armor, core and navigation skills from the intelligent/memory remap. Can someone please give me some good advice on which of the following setups are the most effective running c3/c4's and also which ones are the most cost effective risk wise?

3x RR Armor or Shield Dominix

2x Paladins (tachyons) with 2 or 3 remote cap transfers in high slot

2x Nightmares (pulse) with 2 remote cap transfers in high slot and a Basilisk


I thought about the tengus but I don't like the skill loss after death and since I'm new to wormholes I do aspect to be killed ALOT! So longs as my gains outway my loss I'm fine with it. Much help is really appreciated. Oh and I'll also have a noctis and 3 scanning characters as well (cloaked of course) :)
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2014-11-18 00:32:24 UTC
Most cost effective would be RR Domi or RR Tengu. Since you don't want Tengu, do Domi for C4.

If you want to do C5s Paladins are master race, but you can do it with other ships too I'm p sure.

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#3 - 2014-11-18 09:49:44 UTC
Two shielddomis with RR and remote cap run anything in c3/c4 space. While Domi's aren't the fastest to clear a site, with drone assist and that endless capchain/RR-chain, they are a blessing to use.
Levina Windstar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-11-18 13:27:22 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Two shielddomis with RR and remote cap run anything in c3/c4 space. While Domi's aren't the fastest to clear a site, with drone assist and that endless capchain/RR-chain, they are a blessing to use.


I never do site with booters but I can tell you that doing C4 with 2 RR domi without booster is not possible. Even 3 is kinda hard unless your in a WH with good effect.

If you have multiple account with a booster alt, don't botter doing C3. Just go for C5 with marauders and it will be a peice of cake.

1 char for boost
2 char in paly
1 char to scout a WH?
More char?

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... and sometimes when I talk, too" --- Solecist Project
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#5 - 2014-11-18 14:29:24 UTC
Shield RR Domis are garbage, but sure you can run C4 anoms with two RR Domis (armor) without a booster, before sleeper RR fix it took 22min to grind down a Barracks.
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#6 - 2014-11-18 15:16:44 UTC
2 Domis still can handle Frontier Barracks and Integrated T.(doable in t3 even) sites. With a booster all c4 sites are easy.

I still do 2x Domi(3RR, 1ET) + 1x DPS Mega - pretty fast setup(under 10min). In a Magnetar you go under 5min/site.

1. enter site, Mega locking targets, Domis deploy curators and assists to Mega
2. Mega start shooting, then Domis setup RR/ET chain, deploy tractor unit(safe bookmark)
3. Mega deploys small drones on demand for frigs(aggressive defend cmd)
4. shoot/rep
5. warp to next site, goto 1

I do/did the same in c3(radar and mags) and just exchange the mega with a hacking ship in time.
Very cheap and efficient.

The Mega does not need a good tank at all and is targeted very rarely. And if so, you have 6x reps you can put on it, 4 will do in any case though.

I avoid Frontier Command Post cause of changing drones and omni scripts gets too clicky and takes too much time.
Sleeper Information Sanctum I don't run because the cloud rendering is lagging my 3 clients in windowed mode to death.

In any case, don't waste your time on Sleeper Sentries. They disapear as soon you warp off.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#7 - 2014-11-18 16:21:44 UTC
If you have scouts in place then your options open up due to the decreased risk, and in turn it makes sense to consider the more expensive hulls. Msg me in-game if you would like some thoughts on running C4 effectively as that is and has been our main source of income for several years now.

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#8 - 2014-11-18 17:20:56 UTC
Right now the Paladin is King in C4s.

I can do 8 Frontier Barracks per hour with 2 Paladins dual boxed


@Segraina Skyblazer
Remote Cap transfer dont make sense on Bastion MaraudersBlink
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
#9 - 2014-11-18 18:15:25 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
Right now the Paladin is King in C4s.

I can do 8 Frontier Barracks per hour with 2 Paladins dual boxed


@Segraina Skyblazer
Remote Cap transfer dont make sense on Bastion MaraudersBlink


How much DPS is that?
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-11-18 18:54:21 UTC
Wow you guys are sooo great, thanks for all the helpful advice. And sorry for the misspelling (aspect) = (expect). To be honest the Paladin is just to sexy to pass up and I keep hearing they own in C4/C5's with tanking ability with 2 reppers around 4k dps and damage output with tachyons around 1300 dps, so I'll train 3 characters whom are 5 months old now for Paladins with the nightmare and bhaalgorn right around the corner. I was gonna train for 2 archons and a moros, but I'll change those characters for 3x RR Dominix since they all have logistics train already. The domis are just to easy to replace if you lose them making them the best cost effective setups for running wormholes ( still don't know which of shield or armor rr is the best). Which leaves me with one more character left to train (I have 12 accounts altogether). Is the sleipnir worth it (50 days of training useless leaderships skills) or should I just skip command ships altogether and go straight for the maelstrom which would lead to the vargur?
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-11-18 19:00:37 UTC
Mixery82 wrote:
Right now the Paladin is King in C4s.

I can do 8 Frontier Barracks per hour with 2 Paladins dual boxed


@Segraina Skyblazer
Remote Cap transfer dont make sense on Bastion MaraudersBlink




Ya right I forgot that they can't receive any remotes from each other in bastion, What do you recommend in the highs? And would you be so kind as to give me a fit along with stats please?
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#12 - 2014-11-18 19:08:44 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
If you have scouts in place then your options open up due to the decreased risk, and in turn it makes sense to consider the more expensive hulls. Msg me in-game if you would like some thoughts on running C4 effectively as that is and has been our main source of income for several years now.



To be honest the scout thing is where i'll have many troubles as I'll be to busy focusing on not dying from the sleepers to pay much attention to static entries. I'll be at the mercy of d-scan I'm afraid unless you know of some tolerate noob friendly and awox-free wormhole corps that's looking for some new wormhole dwellers.
Mixery82
Friends Of Harassment
#13 - 2014-11-18 20:08:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Mixery82
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Mixery82 wrote:
Right now the Paladin is King in C4s.

I can do 8 Frontier Barracks per hour with 2 Paladins dual boxed


@Segraina Skyblazer
Remote Cap transfer dont make sense on Bastion MaraudersBlink




Ya right I forgot that they can't receive any remotes from each other in bastion, What do you recommend in the highs? And would you be so kind as to give me a fit along with stats please?


For the utility Hightslots I use:
- Faction EMP Smart Bomb (to kill the frigs, minimum range is 7,5km)
- Heavy Nos (not that important)
- Probe Launcher (just for emergency)

You need abt. 1,4k tank that holds for a while under heavy neuts.

With my Skills I have 1060 DPS with Navy MF at 70 + 47 km per ship
I think the minimum is abt. 950 DPS
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#14 - 2014-11-18 20:19:21 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Nash MacAllister wrote:
If you have scouts in place then your options open up due to the decreased risk, and in turn it makes sense to consider the more expensive hulls. Msg me in-game if you would like some thoughts on running C4 effectively as that is and has been our main source of income for several years now.



To be honest the scout thing is where i'll have many troubles as I'll be to busy focusing on not dying from the sleepers to pay much attention to static entries. I'll be at the mercy of d-scan I'm afraid unless you know of some tolerate noob friendly and awox-free wormhole corps that's looking for some new wormhole dwellers.


Like I said, hit me up in-game and we can talk. We are always looking for good folks. There are others living the C1-C4 life as well that may be of interest if that's the route you would like to go.

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-11-18 22:12:04 UTC
Nash MacAllister wrote:
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Nash MacAllister wrote:
If you have scouts in place then your options open up due to the decreased risk, and in turn it makes sense to consider the more expensive hulls. Msg me in-game if you would like some thoughts on running C4 effectively as that is and has been our main source of income for several years now.



To be honest the scout thing is where i'll have many troubles as I'll be to busy focusing on not dying from the sleepers to pay much attention to static entries. I'll be at the mercy of d-scan I'm afraid unless you know of some tolerate noob friendly and awox-free wormhole corps that's looking for some new wormhole dwellers.


Like I said, hit me up in-game and we can talk. We are always looking for good folks. There are others living the C1-C4 life as well that may be of interest if that's the route you would like to go.


Nash MacAllister I'll do just that as soon as I get my skills up to be able to fly something useful in a wormhole. I can get into a gila about 40 days from now ( without any deviation from my current skill plan) that gets around 680 dps with Aug Hammerheads maxed shield skills without missles. Let me know if that can be of any use just to get started with your corp.
Nash MacAllister
Air
The Initiative.
#16 - 2014-11-19 04:51:08 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:

Nash MacAllister I'll do just that as soon as I get my skills up to be able to fly something useful in a wormhole. I can get into a gila about 40 days from now ( without any deviation from my current skill plan) that gets around 680 dps with Aug Hammerheads maxed shield skills without missles. Let me know if that can be of any use just to get started with your corp.


If you can scan, and like to PVP, you can definitely find a corp in w-space, ourselves included.

Yes, if you have to ask yourself the question, just assume we are watching you...