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PI and one character

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Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-09-12 21:13:02 UTC
How much can single character make with PI in highsec or lowsec?

Would it be better off just buying lower end PI stuff from market and making stuff out of them?

Currently grinding R&D agents for passive income... Is PI even really passive? How often you have to heard your little farm?
grazer gin
Raving Rednecks
#2 - 2011-09-13 00:27:53 UTC
How many levels of stupid do you think we are that we will do the math for you and tell you our ways we make money.

How much can a single char make well that depends do the math and find out.

Would it be better to buy low PI and turn it into high PI well the market details are right in front of you and windows has a built in calculator so you tell me.
Invictra Atreides
Toward the Terra
#3 - 2011-09-13 07:04:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Invictra Atreides
I believe the max for 1 character would be a bit under 1 bil isk per month and the minimum around 150 mil per month. The thing is that with the processing only setup half or more of your profit comes from playing the market.

I advice you put some buildings on planets and do some testing to see if it is worth your time.

EDIT: This considers High sec only and all skills maxed.

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Kiyirari
Boom Boom Industries
DammFam
#4 - 2011-09-13 07:48:09 UTC
Zenith Intaki wrote:
How much can single character make with PI in highsec or lowsec?


Depends on how often you wish to maintain you Pi whether that be every 5 hour, 24 hour or 2 week cycle ? and what R/L time you can comfortable invest in maintaining such a project.

Zenith Intaki wrote:
Would it be better off just buying lower end PI stuff from market and making stuff out of them?


Ye some people do & can be profitable its a matter of mangering buy orders at a competive rate.

Zenith Intaki wrote:
Currently grinding R&D agents for passive income... Is PI even really passive? How often you have to heard your little farm?


PI is more of semi passive, depending on cycle time of course... what ever you feel cormfortable with really. I do mine every 24 hours about 15 minutes for the 3 accounts and visit planets every 4 days for pick up/drop off at factory planet.

No i don't know how much isk i'm making LolAttentionLol estimaterd around 450 mil several months ago in high sec and NO i don't sell on market either... its fuel for the pos e.g enough fuel made for 3 large towers (except robotics)... if ya really want ya can do the maths from that Attention

plus excess stock piles etc from 18 months or more of PI click fest gave meh RSI Twisted
Demvaril
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-09-13 08:57:38 UTC
I've just started out in PI and I'm making around a mill a day in high sec - however my infrastructure is a shambles and all needs rebuilt, lots of good guides out there - I'm just waiting till i got enough isk to redo it all.
Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-09-13 09:30:35 UTC
So can you set your PI farm for longer cycle than 24 hours?
Usurpine
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-09-13 11:12:46 UTC
Basically, you cant make any isk with doing pi, in fact it just costs isk. Where you make the isk is when you move the stuff to a market and sell it there, so here you make the isk and this heavily depends on your skills for trading.

So its all about hauling the right products. In fact you cant make profit in high sec with doing pi, because in the same time you can do something much more profitable, so everytime you spend doing pi in high sec you are just wasting your time.

If you shoot rats in a 0.0 system you can make about 1 mill bounty everytime you kill one NPC battleship. This is where the profit is.
Profit with PI is a lie.
Cyniac
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2011-09-13 16:21:47 UTC
Zenith Intaki wrote:
So can you set your PI farm for longer cycle than 24 hours?


Yes you can set your PI extractors to run in cycles up to 14 days, however the extraction rate is in part determined also by the extractor cycle time.
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2011-09-13 16:48:45 UTC
< THIRD ATTEMPT TO POST. THANK YOU CCP Evil >


I have 4 toons all pulling P1 from Low Sec .1 and .2 systems.

Three toons combined do this: 1 pulls 5 planets for the Self Harmonizers (P4), one pulls 5 planets for Broadcast Nodes (P4), the THIRD pulls the remaning P1 for the remaining P1 from 2 other planets and uses 3 more planets as Processing planets for turning all of this into the two P4 Products.

The 4th toon operates independently. Four P1 planets and a 5th pulling one P1 and Processing the rest to final which is 144 Robotics and 250 Miniature Electronics per day.

Do that in High Sec and you may cut the numbers in exactly half.
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-13 16:52:00 UTC
Usurpine wrote:
Basically, you cant make any isk with doing pi, in fact it just costs isk..................... This is where the profit is.
Profit with PI is a lie.



My post above and that setup takes 60 minutes a day and brings in 1.1 BILLION ISK per month.

You have no clue WHAT you are talking about AT ALL.


STFU AND GTFO.
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-09-13 16:56:17 UTC
grazer gin wrote:
How many levels of stupid do you think we are that we will do the math for you and tell you our ways we make money.

How much can a single char make well that depends do the math and find out.

Would it be better to buy low PI and turn it into high PI well the market details are right in front of you and windows has a built in calculator so you tell me.


Nyah !



Boy you got him REAL good. What a lame troll flame. Yawn Roll

WHY EVEN BOTHER ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

STFU and GTFO.
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-09-13 16:58:54 UTC
Zenith Intaki wrote:
So can you set your PI farm for longer cycle than 24 hours?



That Slider lets you select up to several DAYS ... even up to 14 I think. Not logging on to verify.

I stay at 24 hrs.
Eddard Varbosa
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-09-13 17:25:11 UTC
Infinitio Krystallos wrote:
Zenith Intaki wrote:
So can you set your PI farm for longer cycle than 24 hours?



That Slider lets you select up to several DAYS ... even up to 14 I think. Not logging on to verify.

I stay at 24 hrs.


I can confirm it runs up 14 days.
I work on mine twice a day.
Katowen
#14 - 2011-09-13 18:46:02 UTC
Eddard Varbosa wrote:
Infinitio Krystallos wrote:
Zenith Intaki wrote:
So can you set your PI farm for longer cycle than 24 hours?



That Slider lets you select up to several DAYS ... even up to 14 I think. Not logging on to verify.

I stay at 24 hrs.


I can confirm it runs up 14 days.
I work on mine twice a day.


I run various days on mine...Most common and lowest I go is 2d 1hr 30mins. Then I have a few planets on 4d 3hrs and one on a 8day.

All depends on how "hot" my spots are and lazy I wanna be. Big smile

And to the OP, how much can you make with PI. For a semi-passive (loading/unloading goods from planet) is isn't as profitable as other things but it can generate enough for PLEX / account if you pick the right resources.

Katowen

Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-09-13 19:23:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinitio Krystallos
Katowen wrote:
....................but it can generate enough for PLEX / account if you pick the right resources.



Indeed the 1.1 Bill ISK I mention in my above posting is 'a hair shy ' of the 3 PLEX for the 3 accounts. (4th Toon =shared account).

Just to reiterate, this PI figure concerns .2 and .1 Security Systems.

Systems at .3 and .4 will produce about only 70% of the LOWER Low Sec. High Sec about 30-50% of LOWER Low Sec.
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One can assume the exponentiality here applying this to Null.

But my best guess is in the best Null systems one probably maxes out at Elite Centers with TWO ECU's filling Ten (maybe 12) Basic Processors at capacity.


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Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-09-14 09:54:15 UTC
Well thanks for replying. I might try PI out with longer cycle time.

Btw, how much cargo space those high end PI products eat? Just wondering could it be done with blockade runner?

NPC 0.0 or w-space 0.0 might pay out better, but does the pile of PI products grow too large in such long cycle? Don't want to get into dangerous space in T1 hauler Lol
Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-14 11:52:00 UTC
Infinitio Krystallos wrote:
Usurpine wrote:
Basically, you cant make any isk with doing pi, in fact it just costs isk..................... This is where the profit is.
Profit with PI is a lie.



My post above and that setup takes 60 minutes a day and brings in 1.1 BILLION ISK per month.

You have no clue WHAT you are talking about AT ALL.


STFU AND GTFO.


1.1 Billion is a nice figure.

However, you say you take 1 hour a day to do it. 30 hours of "work" to earn 1.1 billion is around ~37 million an hour. That is -frankly- a pretty bad return for your time, especially since it's being done in lowsec. Sure, PI is reasonably risk-free, especially when you used cloaked haulers to bring your stuff to safe space. However, doing level 4 missions in the perfectly riskless environment that is hisec space brings in at least 30-35 million an hour as well, plus whatever you gain from LP's. And that requires only 1 account, so you can use the second account to do really do anything that makes isk. For all I care you jump into a Mackinaw and make ~9 million an hour with 1 click for 15 minutes.
Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-14 16:27:24 UTC
Shayla Sh'inlux wrote:
[1.1 Billion is a nice figure.

However, you say you take 1 hour a day to do it. 30 hours of "work" to earn 1.1 billion is around ~37 million an hour. That is -frankly- a pretty bad return for your time, especially since it's being done in lowsec. Sure, PI is reasonably risk-free, especially when you used cloaked haulers to bring your stuff to safe space. However, doing level 4 missions in the perfectly riskless environment that is hisec space brings in at least 30-35 million an hour as well, plus whatever you gain from LP's. And that requires only 1 account, so you can use the second account to do really do anything that makes isk. For all I care you jump into a Mackinaw and make ~9 million an hour with 1 click for 15 minutes.



Do you realize this says BOTH ~37 M/hr =bad return...then later the high-sec missions bring in 30-35 M and it is better.

WTF ?

Your statement that Level 4 missions are RISKLESS is a LIE. I'm not even going to bother explaining why. If you do not know, you do not run them. But that was one hell of an IGNORANT and wrong statement.

No place in EVE is riskless anyway. LEARN that one fact if you learn anything about the game.

AND to get that full amount from the Level 4 missions, you better have a SECOND TOON with a Noctis or you are NOT maximizing your profit from the site. Good luck salvaging all of Angels Extravaganza alone and on time with one toon. Sheesh.

Besides, this 'terrible hourly return' on PI is in addition to all the Level 4 missions I run along with mining Grav Sites for Low Sec Ores and all that, and I have not had to bother witha regular belt in months as they obviously are less profitable.

Basically the 1.1 B PI is easy EXTRA MONEY, not the main income.

Besides, if one only does Lvl 4 missions, your mind will DISSOLVE from the mindless endless repetition.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU SPEAK OF .

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Infinitio Krystallos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-14 16:35:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinitio Krystallos
Zenith Intaki wrote:
Well thanks for replying. I might try PI out with longer cycle time.

Btw, how much cargo space those high end PI products eat? Just wondering could it be done with blockade runner?

NPC 0.0 or w-space 0.0 might pay out better, but does the pile of PI products grow too large in such long cycle? Don't want to get into dangerous space in T1 hauler Lol



One unit of a P4 product is 100 m3. MAximum is 12 units per day with 6 Planets to pull and process to P1, then a 7th planet for processing the P1 up to P4 final.

500 units of a P2 product will take about 2000 m3 or thereabouts. About 1/2 of a GSC in your Cargohold.

The NPC 0.0 you cannot solo easily for PI what with trying to get back out past bubbles to market. Not worth the trouble. AND the bottleneck of Elite centers maxing out at 2 ECU's feeding 12 Basic Processors...that's all you can get period. The Lower Low Sec feeds 8-10 Processors to Capacity. WH-Space PI not doable either. You will be found and killed.

Get your racial T2 Blockade Runner AND Deep Space Transport. They are a MUST.
Shayla Sh'inlux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-09-14 23:03:57 UTC
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Do you realize this says BOTH ~37 M/hr =bad return...then later the high-sec missions bring in 30-35 M and it is better.

WTF ?


35mil in HiSec is infinately better than 37mil in lowsec.

Plus, I said EASILY. Without trying. Semi-afk. Doing work in the background. And also excluding whatever your LP is worth. That kinda varies from 500/LP for Caldari Navy to 3k/LP for some pirate factions (but that's obviously nulsec). At between 15k and 20k LP per hour, feel free to add anywhere from 7.5mil to 60mil to that figure. If you put your mind to it, you can get 50-55mil an hour. With one character. In HiSec.

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Your statement that Level 4 missions are RISKLESS is a LIE. I'm not even going to bother explaining why. If you do not know, you do not run them. But that was one hell of an IGNORANT and wrong statement.

No place in EVE is riskless anyway. LEARN that one fact if you learn anything about the game.


They are 100% risk-free. I *NEVER* lost a ship in hisec lvl 4. Never. Let me guess - you got your loot pinata popped?

Clearly you need to learn a lot still. I've been flying around in Eve for the better part of 7 years (albeit with some breaks). I've been alliance leader, fleet commander, t2 industrialist, miner, mission runner and pirate. I've lived and fought in 0.0, blobbed cruisers (2004), battleships (2005) and carriers (2006). I've lived in areas ranging from a 0.0 PoS in hostile space to an 1.0 system near Luminaire.

I can tell you, my friend, that the ONLY place safer than a level 4 mission deadspace area is the inside of a station.

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AND to get that full amount from the Level 4 missions, you better have a SECOND TOON with a Noctis or you are NOT maximizing your profit from the site. Good luck salvaging all of Angels Extravaganza alone and on time with one toon. Sheesh.


Salvaging is a waste of time. That is, if you want to maximize isk/hour. If you really want salvage, you can run them with a Marauder too, but that's less isk/hr than blitzing with a Mach still.

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Besides, this 'terrible hourly return' on PI is in addition to all the Level 4 missions I run along with mining Grav Sites for Low Sec Ores and all that, and I have not had to bother witha regular belt in months as they obviously are less profitable.

Basically the 1.1 B PI is easy EXTRA MONEY, not the main income.


Rofl. 30 hours per month spent flying around PI stuff and clicking stupid extractors is 30 hours spent that could have been 30 hours of missioning. Or mining. Or exploring. "Ye the missions I do is IN ADDITION to my trading so add an extra 50mil/hour to that!"

Ye man, sure. it's extra. It takes you 30 hours and 2 trained characters to make 1.1b. 37mil/hour is s NOT a good return on investment for 2 characters.

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Besides, if one only does Lvl 4 missions, your mind will DISSOLVE from the mindless endless repetition.


Clearly clicking extractors and moving random goods from planet A to planet B is extremely challenging to the mind Roll
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