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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2014-11-18 14:48:54 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Using your logical thinking you cannot exclude the possibility that keeping in mind his role, where he works at, the day and the occasion, there is a 100% certainty that he was not pressured to do so against his wishes?

(Did you ever stop to think that maybe he wore that shirt because his lady/friend gave it to him and was of special sentimental value or it was his lucky shirt maybe? And now he has to apologize for it?)

we accept his words as they are meant without insulting the intent (and the speaker) by questioning it

i have already explained the concept of looking through the issue with different lenses
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#82 - 2014-11-18 14:50:03 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

again, we look at things in different frames and through logical thinking are fully capable of praising postive things that happened on the day while criticising others


And if someone's "frame" causes them to ignore what happened that day because of his choice of wardrobe, then they have no value in my eyes.

Seriously, it's ****ing pathetic. The man landed a rocket on a freaking comet, an object moving at ridiculous speed through outer freaking space. He could be wearing a clown wig for all I care. This daytime TV, materialistic, shallow bullshit has gone too far in our society.

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when viewed through the frame of feminism, there was cause for criticism in the presentation of the event. the thing's become way overblown though


I don't care what feminazis think. Especially because their argument in this instance is so very, very off base. They're demonstrating precisely why there are so few women in STEM fields. Because #yesallwomen are hilariously, vehemently hostile to people in the STEM fields.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#83 - 2014-11-18 14:52:03 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Using your logical thinking you cannot exclude the possibility that keeping in mind his role, where he works at, the day and the occasion, there is a 100% certainty that he was not pressured to do so against his wishes?

Fellow science nerds of the internet, a science man has been ~unfairly criticized~! But however can we protect him from the unruly feminist hordes?!
We will accuse him of mendaciousness! For justice, AND SCIENCE!!!

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-11-18 14:54:13 UTC
Helene Fidard wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Using your logical thinking you cannot exclude the possibility that keeping in mind his role, where he works at, the day and the occasion, there is a 100% certainty that he was not pressured to do so against his wishes?

Fellow science nerds of the internet, a science man has been ~unfairly criticized~! But however can we protect him from the unruly feminist hordes?!
We will accuse him of mendaciousness! For justice, AND SCIENCE!!!


You people and your big words :D

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-11-18 14:57:06 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:

again, we look at things in different frames and through logical thinking are fully capable of praising postive things that happened on the day while criticising others


And if someone's "frame" causes them to ignore what happened that day because of his choice of wardrobe, then they have no value in my eyes.

no. talking about an issue from a perspective does not mean you are ignoring other aspects.

for example. let's suppose a cinematographer was commenting on the camerawork in star wars. talking about other parts of the film, such as the script or acting quality, is outside the scope of what's being discussed. in fact, depending on the context of the discussion, such commentary would be viewed as extraneous to the topic. it does not mean the entire film is being ignored. if a particular shot or scene is criticised, it does not mean the film is being criticised as a whole.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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when viewed through the frame of feminism, there was cause for criticism in the presentation of the event. the thing's become way overblown though


I don't care what feminazis think. Especially because their argument in this instance is so very, very off base. They're demonstrating precisely why there are so few women in STEM fields. Because #yesallwomen are hilariously, vehemently hostile to people in the STEM fields.

i haven't seen this hostility.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#86 - 2014-11-18 15:06:02 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

no. talking about an issue from a perspective does not mean you are ignoring other aspects.


In general, you are correct.

Not in this instance, however. In this instance his achievements have been disregarded because he *gasp* has attractive women on his shirt (that was made for him by a woman, let's not forget).

In this instance one of the crowning space travel achievements of the last decade has been cast aside and forgotten because wimminz.

There is no excuse for that. I wholly deride anyone taking part.



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i haven't seen this hostility.


I sure have. When I was college, I was egged by this hostility. I was stabbed in the ribs while in line at a movie theater by this hostility.

I do not tolerate it in my presence any longer.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-11-18 15:10:14 UTC
Feminism IMO has gotten out of hand and different groups that call themselves feminists go after every thing that they think is anti-woman just to get publicity.
Equality and all - that's crap - yea there's a lot of equality.

Like I get to watch my colleagues sweat in their shirts and jeans or pants in summer while I stroll care free in my short pants or skirt and sleeveless top. And I have no stinky feet cause I get to wear my strapless sandals so you can watch my painted nails all fresh and polished.

And god forbid you'd dare say something cause then HR will cook up a sexual harassment dossier immediately.

Double standards and equality when it suits us.
Pfff...

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#88 - 2014-11-18 15:10:33 UTC
So i looked this guy up to see what the complaint was about.

1 he looks like an awesome guy
2 he landed a a probe on a comet *taking notes on that ccp?*
3 i dont see anyone at work male and female complaining about the guy
4 he probably is married with kids

Lets complain about him not being professionally dressed. I applaud the guy for his work, but like my time in the military, people make looks triumph over everything.

IE much of my leadership in the military is your if your uniform is dirty you are unprofessional despite the fast you lay in a hasty and fight a war.

TL:DR its stupid and let the man do work unless there is actually a crime being committed such as talking down to women he works with or the reporter that didnt have a problem with his clothes

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#89 - 2014-11-18 15:12:08 UTC
Self-victimization is as real as being hypochondriac.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-11-18 15:19:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Not in this instance, however. In this instance his achievements have been disregarded because he *gasp* has attractive women on his shirt (that was made for him by a woman, let's not forget).

In this instance one of the crowning space travel achievements of the last decade has been cast aside and forgotten because wimminz.

uh. no, it hasn't. the majority of news coverage is about the damn lander. there's a few circles of internet dorks being angry those gosh-darn feminists are ruining our video games who are also being angry about those gosh-darned feminists ruining our comet


Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I sure have. When I was college, I was egged by this hostility. I was stabbed in the ribs while in line at a movie theater by this hostility.

I do not tolerate it in my presence any longer.

i cannot think of any part of feminist philosophy that condones stabbings
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#91 - 2014-11-18 15:38:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
Benny Ohu wrote:

i cannot think of any part of feminist philosophy that condones stabbings


There ain't nothing about painted women on shirts either. Trust me.
The whole image of the woman in the media is referring to using our image ( if in explicit images even worse) to promote products or to degrade the image of women in the world (things like let's say you'd make a poster with a woman cooking and title it "in your rightful place"). But nowadays women on everything is degrading and taboo because we have no clue about what we are fighting for durrr.
Women on clothes that are not used as a promoting or to degrade the image of the woman are totally ok.
And putting a naked woman on a shirt is degrading depending what woman you ask thus subject to various interpretations.
And his shirt has nothing explicit on it - but it was an occasion to good to miss for them
Did his shirt degrade the image of women in the world? THink not. As a woman i did not feel insulted, I actually thought it was rather cool, as he was apart from the white-lab-coat, electric-hair Einstein type of scientist.
Did he promote anything with it? Nope.
Was it explicit? Nope.

I'm looking forward to the moment when they'll have to use censure to hide things like the famous "flying gals" on WW2 planes and such because feminism.

Feminism has gotten to the point were it's like semitism - you can't say nothing against it because you'll be automatically labeled an enemy of, even if you're right.

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Helene Fidard
CTRL-Q
#92 - 2014-11-18 15:41:36 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Feminism has gotten to the point were it's like semitism - you can't say nothing against it because you'll be automatically labeled an enemy of, even if you're right.

Now this thread is going places.

Hey! I don't know about you

but I'm joining CTRL-Q
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-11-18 15:43:21 UTC
Helene Fidard wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
Feminism has gotten to the point were it's like semitism - you can't say nothing against it because you'll be automatically labeled an enemy of, even if you're right.

Now this thread is going places.


Like to the Closed bin :)

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#94 - 2014-11-18 15:47:38 UTC
Feminism has become the sexism they claim to hate.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#95 - 2014-11-18 15:52:55 UTC
Is this a thread about ethics in videogame journalism?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2014-11-18 15:53:34 UTC
Nami Kumamato wrote:
But nowadays women on everything is degrading and taboo because we have no clue about what we are fighting for durrr.

arguing against a made-up opposition is so easy, isn't it?

Nami Kumamato wrote:
Women on clothes that are not used as a promoting or to degrade the image of the woman are totally ok.
And putting a naked woman on a shirt is degrading depending what woman you ask thus subject to various interpretations.
And his shirt has nothing explicit on it - but

but it was sexualised. the shirt represents and is part of a trend in society of unduly sexualising women. now, sexualisation in itself isn't a bad thing, and that leads to confusion for some people. humans are, among other things, sexual creatures. the trend of inordinate sexualisation is the big problem. it leads to society and individuals thinking of women as always being sexual. this leads to the expectation that a women is only sexual, that a woman's body is always sexual, that a woman should be always sexual, that a woman is wrong if she's not being sexual.

this isn't right. a woman is sexual when she desires to be sexual. this is why it's not appropriate in a workplace, for one thing. this is why it can rightly make people feel uncomfortable. it's a trend that society needs to move away from to be healthy, and we do that by recognising, describing and criticising examples of the trend.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#97 - 2014-11-18 15:57:59 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Nami Kumamato wrote:
But nowadays women on everything is degrading and taboo because we have no clue about what we are fighting for durrr.

arguing against a made-up opposition is so easy, isn't it?

Nami Kumamato wrote:
Women on clothes that are not used as a promoting or to degrade the image of the woman are totally ok.
And putting a naked woman on a shirt is degrading depending what woman you ask thus subject to various interpretations.
And his shirt has nothing explicit on it - but

but it was sexualised. the shirt represents and is part of a trend in society of unduly sexualising women. now, sexualisation in itself isn't a bad thing, and that leads to confusion for some people. humans are, among other things, sexual creatures. the trend of inordinate sexualisation is the big problem. it leads to society and individuals thinking of women as always being sexual. this leads to the expectation that a women is only sexual, that a woman's body is always sexual, that a woman should be always sexual, that a woman is wrong if she's not being sexual.

this isn't right. a woman is sexual when she desires to be sexual. this is why it's not appropriate in a workplace, for one thing. this is why it can rightly make people feel uncomfortable. it's a trend that society needs to move away from to be healthy, and we do that by recognising, describing and criticising examples of the trend.


then I guess we should ban body building and Arnold shirt right?
Because it leads to the idea that all men are buff, all men are only buff and all men should always be buff?

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-11-18 16:01:13 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
. the shirt represents and is part of a trend in society of unduly sexualising women. now, sexualisation in itself isn't a bad thing, and that leads to confusion for some people.


I'm sorry thought I watched the ESA comet landing thing, didn't look much like the latest fashion show in Paris, for the upcoming Winter-Spring trends.

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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#99 - 2014-11-18 16:01:14 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:



Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.




No. That would be too much Arnold. It could cause some sort of universal implosion, or something.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#100 - 2014-11-18 16:02:07 UTC
Deck Cadelanne wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:



Speaking of out of context quoting, going Commando in a T2 shirt would be hitting two Arnold references in the same outfit.




No. That would be too much Arnold. It could cause some sort of universal implosion, or something.


You can't have too much Arnold.

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