EVE General Discussion

ah now if only we could get rid of kill boards to end the kb nazi regime and to tone down the elitist so called pvpers that resort to practically pve kills. although it could hurt merc corps but then again most f them war dec whoever to show off the number of wars they've been in

I dont see any alternative that isn't riddled with problems. If there's clones that emphasize different ship aspects, it'll either be worthless or combine in a perfect storm with a ship/module/implant setup. We already have a problem with that via kiters being linked to "solo" PvP in FW.

If it actually impacts gameplay in the moment in any way, it becomes another variable to control for in an already complex rock-paper-scissors game. Will it make rock or paper bigger, and blur the difference between being able to rationally figure out a person's fit or just go #YOLO coinflip into a fight because they might be running clone X which will push a setup over the edge?

Maybe there is a core EVE philosophy somewhere that loss should be meaningful, and players should always be careful in the choices they make and so on and so forth. This is what HTFU is about, after all.


But I think what CCP saw is that clone grade costs were so discouraging to pilots with expensive clones is that it deters undocks and good fights. EVE thrives on conflict, and I believe what this change will encourage is more conflict.

Only read some of the posts....

I like and dislike the fact of getting rid of the clone grades myself.

Like: 1.) It might assist in helping to curb or start getting rid of the carebear mentality that infects a lot of nerwer players becaue they are afraid to die....afraid to lose thier ship and then afraid to lose their clone from podding if they have not figured out the means of a good income yet to sustain losing a lot of pods.
2.) so that means possible new "combat" pvp attractiveness
3.) Less hassle in making sure a fleet your running that everyone is set to include their clone updates.

Dislike: I only have 1, and that is the eventual removal of one of the ways to hurt a competitior or enemy target. If you can not gank or Dec someone with the express intention of forcing them to stay docked up because of 'reasons' they can not afford clone upgrades then we are left with only the viable option to grind in a state of combat through the means of attrition in ships only.


Now as to a comment or two I read about standings......

I believe they should not be removed, someone grinded those standings for a reason, whether thats a Corp/alliance that has grinded every standing for Jump Clone ability in every med facilitated NPC Corp avaible, or did so to ensure better tax rates at the corps found in Trade Hubs, or tax rates for other services or refining of materials where they live, or to ability to use Datacore research agents, or even Mission access availibility. Or simply to Roleplay.

Standings are a measuring tool for both public and personal reasons and they should not be removed. For example i read another post once about someone mentioning he/she grinded Blood Raiders more for a RP perspective as a pirate and should not have to worry about standings degrading because that limit his/her ability to travel very far from home(the pirate missions) for any length of time.

Security Status also.....some people pride themselves on being -10 and others pride themsleves as +5....or like a friend the other day seen someone with a +5.6 and was wondering how to get that....i mentioned COSMOS missions and so that friend playing almost a year now has decided to read up on them and see what else EvE can offer them.

In closing...I would like to say not losing SP upon podding would in fact be nice during a hard or long wardec in the place someone lives.....because you already have all your replacement ships there and gear, your med clone is there as well....you have a much higher chance of inflicting some sort of dmg or at least getting right back into the fight than the guy that has to travel to get to you. and if you pod someone in that instance....well that means he/she has to reship AND travel all the way back from their med clone position to get back in the fight.

No It will not be WOW in space.

CCP is making EvE to be fair for the new players to get into this game and for the Vets to have lots more fun pew pewing these new players after one month been in EvE.




+1 for Rhea

Apparently the problem is the supervets who spend, at minimum, 32m per clone.

Somehow they get podded enough that they're spending a fortune in clones.
They're also vets who can't secure their pods and warp out in time.

I'm not even being sarcastic. These are legit arguments being presented.

All too true. People complain about not going in frigates because of the clone cost. We can say that yes, in null with bubbles, people can't save their clones. Or when there's a SB gatecamp, etc.

a 35 mil clone/frigate combo is still cheaper than a 300 mil cruiser/clone combo. I don't get their arguments.

So, as a player gains more SP, they shouldn't fly softer/smaller ships? If thats the case I change my stance on skill removal.

Except you are wrong, in that according to ccp, a lot of noobs don't have any idea they need to upgrade there clones. So several lose sp, and maybe they lose sp's a few times, and go WTF! and quit.

The point is, its a meaningless mechanic. It will still hurt to be poded, the simple fact that you may be sent clear across the galaxy is a huge deterrent to be poded, or you may lose your implants. Losing the pod was never a deterrent for me, i'm going to die anyway, it was more of a PITA that I would have to make an extra click or if I did not move my home system I had to go find a clone office before I could do anything, or if I was in a wh for months on end I might not have any chance to upgrade my clone. That 'oh ****' moment when you lose freighter 5 and realize you have to now spend 45-60 days to get it back SUCKS. All because you were taking a break from eve and died before you get back to a station.

Its a stupid mechanic, i'm glad its dying, finally.

I'm willing to se what they come up with. even if they do nothing, that's ok, the archaic mechanic is dying, i'm good with that