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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#141 - 2014-11-17 11:33:17 UTC
Trii Seo, could you please look into the beginning of the transmission and say if we missed something?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:
TRANSPONDER 6612 ALLIGNED >> BROADCAST INITIATE…

TRAFFIC SCRUBBING ACTIVE, GAIN – 82.114 % NOMINAL…
PACKET LOSS – 72.176%
>> 66ms
>> --
>> 1088ms
>> --
>> 931ms
>> 404ms
>> +366470.5504 >> +021452.0104 >> 5586152.0017
>> LOCKED IN
>> ROUTER CONTACT ESTABLISHED - TRANSPONDER ID HASH  30003453-50008995-50006664
>> LAYER 44602117/FF

>> COMMENCING BROADCAST…

>>

>>


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GForce917
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#142 - 2014-11-17 12:15:38 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Trii Seo, could you please look into the beginning of the transmission and say if we missed something?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> LAYER 44602117/FF



I'm pretty sure this is the only thing in the beginning of the transmission no one has tried to decode yet.
Cap'n Schmitty
#143 - 2014-11-17 16:00:16 UTC
GForce917 wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Trii Seo, could you please look into the beginning of the transmission and say if we missed something?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> LAYER 44602117/FF



I'm pretty sure this is the only thing in the beginning of the transmission no one has tried to decode yet.

Oh, I've tried. I just haven't come up with anything remotely useful.

@CaptainCrutches
Deceiver's Echo
Nomad Church Mission Matar
#144 - 2014-11-17 16:13:40 UTC
GForce917 wrote:
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Trii Seo, could you please look into the beginning of the transmission and say if we missed something?
Hilen Tukoss wrote:

>> LAYER 44602117/FF



I'm pretty sure this is the only thing in the beginning of the transmission no one has tried to decode yet.

Probably because it's simply part of the communications protocol.

>>SEE ALSO: Protocol Layering
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#145 - 2014-11-17 16:22:36 UTC  |  Edited by: dirtydebbs
when i keep looking at this thread and the transmitting through the gate system,

it keeps me thinking back to how the drone lands first come about when some one tampered or forced there way through buy using an outdated code to online the gate, was the sleepers some how involved in that also and we have been playing there game on there terms with out knowing???

Spectrum_Breach

but for some reason looking back through the data i can not seem to find the concord released info of gate being forced to open
as that had smiler code in it aswel im sure
Cap'n Schmitty
#146 - 2014-11-17 17:41:10 UTC
All this talk of rogue drones has reminded me of something I said on a whim the other day, which might be lent more credence by the idea that drones have something to do with this:

Cap'n Schmitty wrote:
Some more desperate and semi-random scans of the CONCORD database shows that Transponder 6612 may refer to Stargate ID 50006612, or the 5T-A3D gate in MTGF-2, in Oasa. This is a region gate, one of four connections between Oasa and Perrigen Falls.


It's worth noting, I think, that Oasa and Perrigen Falls are both occupied by rogue drones. Coincidence? Possibly. But worth noting nonetheless.

@CaptainCrutches
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#147 - 2014-11-17 18:55:43 UTC
I don't live so awfully far from Oasa. If people really think there's something worth looking into over there, I guess I could take a look, but if I can be blunt, I think you guys are really, really reaching here.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#148 - 2014-11-17 19:03:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Trii Seo
When you're grasping at straws, going through with a weird coincidence or a feeling of "that's odd" is better than sitting idly.

6612 could refer to a few things other than 5T-A3D. For an identifier, it lacks two more digits and a category number.

Skipping the category identifier and the two digits leaves us with a mess of objects - from which a few stand out. The mentioned 5T-A3D stargate, a station in Esa and a celestial object in another wormhole. This time, a Wolf-Rayet system: J142918/X/1.

If we were to assume that the two identifier digits are null values, the set narrows down to the gate, celestial Timeor/X/12 and the station - Esa/VIII/2. This mostly looks like chasing ghosts, but until he dumps another bucket of data on us - gotta keep ourselves entertained.

Now if I was to run along and interpret the header, it looks like the first K-Space hop would be the Elgoi/Orduin stargate. If it is an emergency broadcast, it likely hit the 'net on that very hop, so it's possible that the trace bounces between points without stargates.

On a less data snoopy standpoint, because you've got to take coffee breaks - his previous transmissions had synonym queries embedded and are either way out of date on the know-how or know more than we do. The mention of starsystem bearing a J-type identifier and a number '05', below the documented ones means that whatever it is, it knows of a system we know nothing about - and that there presumably are people there.

By "people" I mean something it classified as us. So, could be Serpentis with their little mad scientist tendencies which they unleashed a while back, could be Sisters being sneaky with data gathering... or, I guess, anyone keeping their mouths shut.

Addenum:

A derelict facility was identified in a system neighboring Esa - Uhodoh. A similar derelict exists near the transmission origin.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#149 - 2014-11-17 19:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Soldarius
Assuming that Transponder 6612 does indeed mean the FTL xponder contained within the broadcasting stargate, then gate 50006612 is located in solar system 30003197, which is MTGF-2 in Oasa. However this seems an unlikely point of origin for this kind of broadcast, since we know he is being held in w-space, in a Wolf-Rayet system.

So, over the weekend I dug through more of the database and found 48 possible corresponding celestial bodies that end in "6612". The gate was one. Of the remaining 47, 12 are w-space systems. The list is below.

"40006612","30000100","Timeor X - Moon 12"
"40016612","30000263","TVN-FM III"
"40026612","30000428","3C-26I V - Moon 13"
"40036612","30000584","SO-X5L VII - Asteroid Belt 2"
"40046612","30000738","PT-21C X - Moon 9"
"40056612","30000886","S8-NSQ II - Moon 19"
"40066612","30001044","Hemin VIII - Moon 12"
"40076612","30001207","WJ-9YO IX - Moon 2"
"40086612","30001359","Semiki II - Moon 1"
"40096612","30001516","W-WQM5 X - Moon 20"
"40106612","30001671","Tash-Murkon Prime VI - Moon 13"
"40116612","30001823","P-8PDJ I - Asteroid Belt 1"
"40126612","30001982","G95-VZ IV"
"40136612","30002142","L-5JCJ II - Moon 1"
"40146612","30002300","L-ZJLN VIII - Moon 20"
"40156612","30002463","U-L4KS VIII - Asteroid Belt 3"
"40166612","30002613","4-MPSJ IV - Moon 5"
"40176612","30002783","Sankkasen IX - Moon 15"
"40186612","30002939","WUZ-WM VII - Moon 18"
"40196612","30003094","Imata VI - Moon 2"
"40206612","30003257","S7WI-F IV - Moon 12"
"40216612","30003414","Yrmori VI - Moon 1"
"40226612","30003568","Meunvon V - Moon 8"
"40236612","30003736","GN7-XY III - Moon 1"
"40246612","30003896","Claini VIII - Moon 5"
"40256612","30004051","YI-8ZM VIII - Moon 7"
"40266612","30004207","DK0-N8 VII - Moon 9"
"40276612","30004366","9F-7PZ - Star"
"40286612","30004531","2JJ-0E IX - Moon 17"
"40296612","30004691","O4T-Z5 VII - Moon 5"
"40306612","30004840","X-1QGA VII - Moon 21"
"40316612","30004997","Vifrevaert XI - Moon 19"
"40326612","30005162","PT-2KR V - Moon 5"
"40336612","30005323","Sortet V - Moon 13"
"40346612","30032547","Larkugei V - Moon 1"
"40356612","31000114","J121516 VIII - Moon 5"
"40366612","31000301","J102005 V - Moon 16"
"40376612","31000494","J114758 VII - Moon 16"
"40386612","31000686","J115347 XI - Moon 8"
"40396612","31000873","J162332 VI - Moon 9"
"40406612","31001068","J222222 V - Moon 2"
"40416612","31001257","J230708 V - Moon 10"
"40426612","31001451","J154631 V - Moon 17"
"40436612","31001650","J162231 VII - Moon 5"
"40446612","31001851","J161029 VI - Moon 5"
"40456612","31002196","J143127 VI - Moon 16"
"40486612","31000599","J142918 X - Moon 1"
"50006612","30003197",

The final entry is the aforementioned stargate. It is worthy to point out that every single entry ending in 6612 is not a system, but a moon, asteroid belt, or other heavenly body within a system, with the sole exception of the above mentioned stargate.

I cross-referenced this list to the previously communicated list of "colonized systems" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5176833#post5176833, 31002378, 31000005, 31001647, 31000520, and 31002479. No matches.

However, it bears mentioning that system 30000005 is not in any database to which I have access. Since I am using the publicly available celestial database (SDE), how "we" could be colonizing an unknown system is certainly worthy of further investigation.

It is also worthy of mentioning that the celestial cartesian coordinates of every wormhole system in Anoikis are also included in the database. With that data, I was able to construct a complete 3-D image of all known w-space system. The systems are colored according to their threat classification level (1-6), from blue to magenta. The map is to scale, with distances in kilometers labeled on the axes.

http://imgur.com/eKVubqb.gif

On a side note, the center of the universe (0,0,0) appears to be somewhere in the vicinity of Molden Heath; more specifically, Skarkon.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#150 - 2014-11-17 23:16:14 UTC
Double post, sorry. The 3 sets of numbers, +366470.5504 >> +021452.0104 >> 5586152.0017, are consistent with celestial distances measured in Astronomical Units (AUs). However, 5.5 million AUs is getting close to the maximum z coordinate variance of the entire Eve cluster. Think from Tenal to Paragon Soul.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
GForce917
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#151 - 2014-11-17 23:16:31 UTC  |  Edited by: GForce917
Of all the w-space celestials ending in 6612, only one, J142918 X - Moon 1, is in a wolf-rayet system. It's a Class 2 system with static connections to Class 2 and low security systems. I think this might be the system where they're holding Dr. Tukoss

EDIT: I completely missed that Trii Seo mentioned this earlier. Oops.
Deceiver's Echo
Nomad Church Mission Matar
#152 - 2014-11-18 05:26:25 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
However, it bears mentioning that system 30000005 is not in any database to which I have access. Since I am using the publicly available celestial database (SDE), how "we" could be colonizing an unknown system is certainly worthy of further investigation.

The assumption is that this particular piece of information was directed at "us"--Capsuleers.

There is one other entity that monitors these communications: CONCORD. As DED has already voiced subtle opposition to collaborating with ID:Tukoss, Hilen it is possible that this information is being directed at them.

I digress. I agree fully with your assertion. Further investigation is warranted. How do you suggest proceeding?
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#153 - 2014-11-18 05:59:07 UTC
By stuffing ourselves 3-4 holes deep down chains looking for -oh- this?

GForce917 wrote:
J142918 X - Moon 1, is in a wolf-rayet system. It's a Class 2 system with static connections to Class 2 and low security systems.


Just an idea... Big smile

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#154 - 2014-11-18 06:58:33 UTC
Nothing ventured, nothing gained!

It's a gigantic mess of "one hell of a stretch" but beats sitting idly.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Eran Mintor
Metropolis Commercial Consortium
#155 - 2014-11-18 07:09:34 UTC
I admit I'm starting to have nightmares about signatures with how much I've been searching for that forsaken system. Hope someone with good intent finds it before the opportunity--if any--is passed.

-Eran
dirtydebbs
the wreking crew
#156 - 2014-11-18 08:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: dirtydebbs
Shaera Taam wrote:
By stuffing ourselves 3-4 holes deep down chains looking for -oh- this?

GForce917 wrote:
J142918 X - Moon 1, is in a wolf-rayet system. It's a Class 2 system with static connections to Class 2 and low security systems.


Just an idea... Big smile



it is a good idea thought the transmission came from a low sec gate so if he is certainly stuck/living in a wh then i would hazard to guess that it would have a low sec static connection of maybe that system or even a as of yet unknown wh??



on a slightly different level the SOE do seem to me more involved than previously thought and with these new advances in our research it seems this way, with sleeper caches coming about in hs after there advanced clocking methods are now malfunctioning or being shown on purpose, wasn't it they who apparently have clocked up or have been researching the eve gate for these hidden clocked technology's from the past and jove era ? also wasn't it they who gave us the zephyr?


it really boils down to how much more they know of this and exactly what information have they gained and are not sharing with us
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#157 - 2014-11-18 11:39:39 UTC
dirtydebbs wrote:

on a slightly different level the SOE do seem to me more involved than previously thought and with these new advances in our research it seems this way, with sleeper caches coming about in hs after there advanced clocking methods are now malfunctioning or being shown on purpose, wasn't it they who apparently have clocked up or have been researching the eve gate for these hidden clocked technology's from the past and jove era ? also wasn't it they who gave us the zephyr?

http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/chronicles/ante/

the last few paragraphs point to us being used for research into anokis with this ship!

it really boils down to how much more they know of this and exactly what information have they gained and are not sharing with us

What is this nonsense, SOE would never hold scientists against their will, they are a humanitarian organisation!

Shaera Taam wrote:
By stuffing ourselves 3-4 holes deep down chains looking for -oh- this?

GForce917 wrote:
J142918 X - Moon 1, is in a wolf-rayet system. It's a Class 2 system with static connections to Class 2 and low security systems.


Just an idea... Big smile


Good idea, looks like I'm going to patrol low secuity regions today. It'd be a good move for everyone to pick their own region.

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Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#158 - 2014-11-18 12:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Liam Antolliere
Jaret Victorian wrote:

What is this nonsense, SOE would never hold scientists against their will, they are a humanitarian organisation!


Indeed.

It's almost like someone is suggesting that not everything is at it seems...

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."
PhilAlex
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-11-18 12:53:56 UTC
The Sisters CEO is the sister (heh) of Salvador Sarpathi, ceo of the Serpentis.

I think that any irregular serpentis presence, especially in a Sisters or Sanctuary system should be
reported and logged.

That's one family reunion I would like to see.

-P
Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
#160 - 2014-11-18 14:58:22 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Shaera Taam wrote:
By stuffing ourselves 3-4 holes deep down chains looking for -oh- this?

GForce917 wrote:
J142918 X - Moon 1, is in a wolf-rayet system. It's a Class 2 system with static connections to Class 2 and low security systems.


Just an idea... Big smile


Good idea, looks like I'm going to patrol low secuity regions today. It'd be a good move for everyone to pick their own region.


Put me down for Molden Heath.

The top part of the ring around the island is as close to home as I'm ever going to claim, and a patch of space I know well.

-st

Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!