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Question about recent patch, can you still freely shoot corp members?

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-11-14 21:04:42 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Jvpiter wrote:



Awoxing is a terrible epidemic resulting in an unprecedented number of hisec kills.


When will this madness stop?


When will we have our freedom?

Thursday.


Too close to the weekend. Better hold off till Tuesday.
Awesome MILF
Doomheim
#22 - 2014-11-14 23:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Awesome MILF
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.


Soon (TM)

k so the griefing will remain. Just another reason to go nullsec, its really safer than highsec. Ironic.

I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#23 - 2014-11-14 23:38:56 UTC
Awesome MILF wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.


Soon (TM)

k so the griefing will remain. Just another reason to go nullsec, its really safer than highsec. Ironic.

I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.


If that is their reason for leaving eve, it was never the game for them.

And for everyone leaving, others stay because things like RvB or eve uni, both of which use this feature for practice and fun.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#24 - 2014-11-15 02:06:01 UTC
Awesome MILF wrote:
I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.

To be honest, who cares?

If people quit because they were shot at, then Eve isn't the game for them to begin with; and that's not meant in a bad way. Eve isn't meant for everyone, just as other games aren't meant for everyone.

Being shot at is an integral part of what Eve enables. It only suits people who can deal with that possibility in the long term.

And there's really no need to limit that to miners. Can be players in a range of eve professions.
13kr1d1
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-11-15 03:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: 13kr1d1
Jur Tissant wrote:
Shyla Thunder wrote:
i would like to join a corp but while this game mechanic is around i am reluctant to do so. thanks for replying.


It's an overstated problem. The benefits of joining a corp far outweigh the risk of AWOXing.


For CSM to even bring this up like its a good idea says how out of touch they are.

Awesome MILF wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.


Soon (TM)

k so the griefing will remain. Just another reason to go nullsec, its really safer than highsec. Ironic.

I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.



I'll be the first to call people like that shitheads with no ability, but that doesn't change the fact that it's an important mechanic for corps to have, and if you get shot up, its just a game. Lose a ship? ITS A GAME. Games are supposed to have win and loss. Not carebear central WoW brain-dead conveyor belt to the top of the theme park. This is why I like people that still play single player games better than MMO-izens. If something's tough or "unfair" they deal with it or figure out how to beat it. They don't whine, because there's noone to listen to the whine. It's all on them.

Somehow MMO draws out the "won't think" crowd.

Don't kid yourselves. Even the dirtiest pirates from the birth of EVE have been carebears. They use alts to bring them goods at cheap prices and safely, rather than live with consequences of their in game actions on their main, from concord to prices
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#26 - 2014-11-15 05:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Awesome MILF wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.


Soon (TM)

k so the griefing will remain. Just another reason to go nullsec, its really safer than highsec. Ironic.

I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.

If you have been griefed ingame, you should write a support ticket.

Besides that, every new player is entitled to read the new pilot faq, section 7. The link to the faq is available right from a very prominent position on the eve online home page.

If you fail to do so, that is not the fault of other players.

Trying to remove awoxing will not stop other players from attacking you. In highsec they will simply join your corp and suicide gank you, using out of corp alts. If they don't tell you they did it, you will not even become aware of this. So removing awoxing would even deprive you of that intel. In fact, you're in a worse position afterwards.

Remove standings and insurance.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#27 - 2014-11-15 09:24:19 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:
Awesome MILF wrote:
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.


Soon (TM)

k so the griefing will remain. Just another reason to go nullsec, its really safer than highsec. Ironic.

I wonder how many unaware miners have unsubscribed EVE because of some random dude killing a fleet on a mining op.

If you have been griefed ingame, you should write a support ticket.

Besides that, every new player is entitled to read the new pilot faq, section 7. The link to the faq is available right from a very prominent position on the eve online home page.

If you fail to do so, that is not the fault of other players.

Trying to remove awoxing will not stop other players from attacking you. In highsec they will simply join your corp and suicide gank you, using out of corp alts. If they don't tell you they did it, you will not even become aware of this. So removing awoxing would even deprive you of that intel. In fact, you're in a worse position afterwards.
Well, it helps mission runners, because they're hard to gank.. I think?
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.
Well, they said "before the end of the year" or something.. So maybe in Rhea?
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
It should be a corp setting, allowing people a choice. RvB has had wonderful valid uses for inter corp aggression such as balancing fights and FReen-for-all events.
I do believe that this was discussed in CSM minutes. I think they came to the conclusion that it would still be bad because of reverse awoxers (people that recruit to kill), because people are too lazy to read things, so anything that isn't a largely visible notification won't be seen by the people they're trying to protect.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#28 - 2014-11-15 09:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Haedonism Bot
13kr1d1 wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
Shyla Thunder wrote:
i would like to join a corp but while this game mechanic is around i am reluctant to do so. thanks for replying.


It's an overstated problem. The benefits of joining a corp far outweigh the risk of AWOXing.


For CSM to even bring this up like its a good idea says how out of touch they are.



To be fair, CCP brought it up and told the CSM, "Hey, we are eliminating awoxing from the game. This has already been decided. What are your thoughts?"

Still, the fact that nearly all of the CSMs nodded their heads and told CCP that it was a great idea was somewhat shocking. You really have to wonder who these people are and if they even play this particular video game. Not sure how much more out of touch they could be.

It seems like there is something about being a CSM that turns good people into simpering yes-men. Even Malcanis came down with it in the end. Very disappointing, since their primary role is supposed to be to call CCP out when they are planning something stupid.

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Bloody Slave
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2014-11-15 12:12:06 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
13kr1d1 wrote:
Jur Tissant wrote:
Shyla Thunder wrote:
i would like to join a corp but while this game mechanic is around i am reluctant to do so. thanks for replying.


It's an overstated problem. The benefits of joining a corp far outweigh the risk of AWOXing.


For CSM to even bring this up like its a good idea says how out of touch they are.



To be fair, CCP brought it up and told the CSM, "Hey, we are eliminating awoxing from the game. This has already been decided. What are your thoughts?"

Still, the fact that nearly all of the CSMs nodded their heads and told CCP that it was a great idea was somewhat shocking. You really have to wonder who these people are and if they even play this particular video game. Not sure how much more out of touch they could be.

It seems like there is something about being a CSM that turns good people into simpering yes-men. Even Malcanis came down with it in the end. Very disappointing, since their primary role is supposed to be to call CCP out when they are planning something stupid.


What the problem? No more slingshot freighters in high sec, more targets and you can still do that on null with the main/alt.

Time to awox null Corps, maybe? Pirate

If your balls are hurt and bleeding don't sit in a pool full of piranhas (note to myself: don't complain in GD)
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-11-15 13:02:13 UTC
Bloody Slave wrote:
What the problem? No more slingshot freighters in high sec, more targets and you can still do that on null with the main/alt.

Time to awox null Corps, maybe? Pirate




This is exactly right. There is no problem that the so called change is fixing.


The burden of proving there is an existing problem lies on the folks nodding yes at the change.

Call me Joe.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2014-11-15 15:46:24 UTC
You guys aren't talking about awoxxing.

You guys are talking about ganking new players.

No matter how many times you try to dress it up what you are doing will never be considered awoxxing.

Now get out of hi-sec and stop being carebears.
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-11-15 15:49:11 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Bloody Slave wrote:
What the problem? No more slingshot freighters in high sec, more targets and you can still do that on null with the main/alt.

Time to awox null Corps, maybe? Pirate




This is exactly right. There is no problem that the so called change is fixing.


The burden of proving there is an existing problem lies on the folks nodding yes at the change.




No one has to provide anything to you. And even if they did I am sure you would ignore it anyways.

Carry on with your grieffing of new players.

And even if they made the change you still could carry on with grieffing new players.

Stop being risk averse and lose a ship in the process...HTFU and stop being a carebear.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#33 - 2014-11-17 02:42:18 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
...And even if they made the change you still could carry on with grieffing new players.

Stop being risk averse and lose a ship in the process...HTFU and stop being a carebear.

Do you even check stuff before you type?

What makes you think Jvpiter is either a griefer or a carebear?
Arronicus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-11-17 04:40:59 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:



Awoxing is a terrible epidemic resulting in an unprecedented number of hisec kills.


When will this madness stop?


When will we have our freedom?




I love that this link essentially confirms that, contrary to what all the pro-awoxers are crying, is that most of the awoxs are not high value ships, but cheap stuff like mackinaws and buzzards.
Fu Qjoo
Pangalactic Frontline Supply Agency
#35 - 2014-11-17 09:37:37 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:



Awoxing is a terrible epidemic resulting in an unprecedented number of hisec kills.


When will this madness stop?


When will we have our freedom?



You are fully aware that the vast majority of kills is NOT in highsec?
Black Pedro
Mine.
#36 - 2014-11-17 11:19:17 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
You guys aren't talking about awoxxing.

You guys are talking about ganking new players.

No matter how many times you try to dress it up what you are doing will never be considered awoxxing.

Now get out of hi-sec and stop being carebears.


No, this change has nothing to do with "ganking new players".

New players will still explode from wardecs and suicide ganks. The only thing this change does is to protect established highsec corps from some of the consequences of corporate infiltration. Consequences that can already be avoided by proper recruitment practices and corporation structure.

This change causes too many other complications to solve a non-problem.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#37 - 2014-11-17 15:44:09 UTC
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:

ISD LackOfFaith wrote:
Yes. There have not been any specific changes regarding intra-corp aggression mechanics announced, nor is there even a timetable for such changes.
Well, they said "before the end of the year" or something.. So maybe in Rhea?

Maybe in Rhea, indeed. Though, the change is not listed in the Rhea announcement devblog, so perhaps they took player feedback and are delaying the change in order to not rush a non-optimal change. That's just my guess, anyway. I'm as much in the dark about it as you are.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-11-17 18:34:29 UTC
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
It should be a corp setting, allowing people a choice. RvB has had wonderful valid uses for inter corp aggression such as balancing fights and FReen-for-all events.


It's almost as if the game had at least a few systems where a free-for-all can happen without much consequence...
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#39 - 2014-11-17 19:04:23 UTC
Syn Shi wrote:
Stop being risk averse and lose a ship in the process...HTFU and stop being a carebear.

Stop being risk averse and post with your main

Evil RatKid
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