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Dev blog: Thera and the Shattered Wormholes

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Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2014-11-15 16:07:04 UTC
Well GG CCP.
So much years to spend OUR money on Crappy games (We told you for Dust, We told you for World of Darkness...) and you don't care about EvE.
Now other games (I don't will give the name here, but everybody know) will come on market and you fear so much...
And you finally Update this game on the good way, I just hope "Not Too late".

Try to listen the community know and stop take us for tards...
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#242 - 2014-11-15 16:23:25 UTC
Malissa Radort wrote:
Well GG CCP.
So much years to spend OUR money on Crappy games (We told you for Dust, We told you for World of Darkness...) and you don't care about EvE.
Now other games (I don't will give the name here, but everybody know) will come on market and you fear so much...
And you finally Update this game on the good way, I just hope "Not Too late".

Try to listen the community know and stop take us for tards...



so much fail in this post....

1) once you give them your money its no longer your money

2) a game company that doesn;t expand its product line is a dead company

3) Games fail, dust however, was not a huge flop based on the information provided, it just was not a huge success.

4) ED, and SC are not threat to eve, none, zip. Just like STO, Black Prophecy, SW:TOR, Planet side, X-Rebirth, Destiny(which would kill dust), etc. All have not hurt eve, and none will.

This is the continuation of the repairs for 2011, which was before any of these games got announced.

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Caydia Lorv
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#243 - 2014-11-15 20:29:49 UTC
All 4 stations in Thera are SoE? Should I start grinding standing with them to save on the Thera market taxes and fees?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#244 - 2014-11-15 22:31:01 UTC
not allowing anchorable bubbles was a good call. a devoter found out that cycling a bubble at undock was a death sentence. all I know right now is Thera is the new spot for subcap Sisi PVP

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Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#245 - 2014-11-16 23:24:04 UTC
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.

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Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#246 - 2014-11-17 15:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.


Gain nothing from it? Try this:

Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies.

Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere.

No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again.

Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#247 - 2014-11-17 16:14:41 UTC
In this time the most precious system in the universe is Thera.
Thera extends life, Thera expands mobility, Thera is vital to space travel?
Aladar Dangerface
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2014-11-17 16:43:48 UTC
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.


Gain nothing from it? Try this:

Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies.

Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere.

No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again.

Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.

You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse.

Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no.

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#249 - 2014-11-17 17:09:42 UTC
Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas?
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#250 - 2014-11-17 17:41:02 UTC
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.


Gain nothing from it? Try this:

Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies.

Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere.

No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again.

Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.

You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse.

Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no.


3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg

6,815,000 kg for a legion.


440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#251 - 2014-11-17 18:17:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Lady Rift wrote:
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.


Gain nothing from it? Try this:

Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies.

Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere.

No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again.

Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.

You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse.

Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no.


3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg

6,815,000 kg for a legion.


440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.


Since they'll want to get home, and since there will be scout ships and all, I suspect fleets of 100-200 legions will be more common. Yes, it's not 1,000 Megathrons, but still very very worth the Goons taking over.

How many stealth bombers you think they'll get through?

How many of those k-space exits will be into CFC space they don't want disturbed?

Totally worth it to a big group to lock down.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#252 - 2014-11-17 18:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Lady Rift
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:
Aladar Dangerface wrote:
Paynus Maiassus wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There's no chance of existing nullsec power blocks holding a longterm lockdown on Thera. Several of them might be capable of it, but would gain next to nothing from it.

What might happen, however, is occasional short "Burn Thera" events.

I fail to see any long term interest in this system. If you want to run C3 and C4 PVE sites, it's going to be by far the most dangerous system to run them in. If you want to hunt players, it's going to be terrible for that because there won't be enough prey. And stations that will intermittently be camped aren't great places to live.

Some reason to fight over the system is needed.


Gain nothing from it? Try this:

Goons head to Thera with thousands of members, dictors, HICs, and a thousand Megathrons. They blow up anyone who tries to undock from the stations. They freighter in a lifetime of supplies.

Now with Phoebe, Goons were made irrelevant. Their half of the galaxy shrank to a quadrant and they can't just be anywhere. But with Thera, THEY CAN! There will be scores of k-space exits. So for every TZ, they log in, scan down a slew of exits, use their paid staff of IT professionals to create a system of bookmark logs so their BMs will be available to all the right people, and then they pick who they want to go fight. Now they are everywhere. Phoebe has been undone. Only now, other groups who would dominate with caps can't profit from Thera. But BRAVE and CONDI, sub cap kings, are now in your face, anywhere and everywhere.

No reason for a big group to take Thera? Think again.

Thera will be taken over and become a raid HQ.

You do understand wh mechanincs? Even if they wanted to deploy there 1000s pilots to one system exiting from Thera, they couldn't since the holes will have a limited amount of mass before they collapse.

Admittedly they could get a fair amount of pilots thru but not 100 ships, unless its frigs/dessies but 1000 megathrons, no.


3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg

6,815,000 kg for a legion.


440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.


Since they'll want to get home, and since there will be scout ships and all, I suspect fleets of 100-200 legions will be more common. Yes, it's not 1,000 Megathrons, but still very very worth the Goons taking over.

How many stealth bombers you think they'll get through?

How many of those k-space exits will be into CFC space they don't want disturbed?

Totally worth it to a big group to lock down.



my post was just to put actual numbers to what could go though. It will be interesting to see if one group tries to lock it down. doesn't really affect my c2 wh so I don't really have any skin in the game of controlling thera

edit: Purifier mass 1,396,000 kg so 5 times the amount of legion.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2014-11-17 18:54:45 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:



my post was just to put actual numbers to what could go though. It will be interesting to see if one group tries to lock it down. doesn't really affect my c2 wh so I don't really have any skin in the game of controlling thera

edit: Purifier mass 1,396,000 kg so 5 times the amount of legion.


And my post was not to counter yours. I thank you for the information. I was countering the previous repliers idea that Thera would not be worth locking down. Basically Thera will be a form of force projection. Now other groups without access to stations can use Thera for force projection. They can fly in 100 legions, warp to a safe, start scanning exits, and look for fights. All without a station. So Thera will be a form of force projection and it will be so for everybody. However, the guy who controls the stations will have the benefit of living there, stocking doctrine ships, having clones, etc. So the amount of coordination possible will be greater and preparation will be much easier if you live in Thera.

My point in bringing this up is that it is most certainly worth locking the system down. It won't ruin the system, but it will prevent its role as a neutral trade hub and give an advantage to the group that has it locked down. That's my point.

Thera is going to be used for force projection by all kinds of people no matter what. But the 4 stations will come under one group's control, and they will be used to the benefit of that group. It will definitely be worth it for large groups to control the stations. And it will be very easy for them to do so.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#254 - 2014-11-17 21:44:22 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas?

or a really, really low budget sci fi adult film

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Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2014-11-17 22:12:12 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Ned Thomas wrote:
Has it been mentioned yet that "Thera and The Shattered Wormholes" sounds like an awesome lounge act in Vegas?

or a really, really low budget sci fi adult film


"Vegas act or porn flick?"

I'm positive I've heard a morning radio show run that contest before....
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#256 - 2014-11-17 23:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Reposting yet again.... BOLD is mine

I assume the non answer by ccp means either they did not see it, or they have something not yet ready to announce. However, incase I am mistaken in my understand, I am asking for clarification:

Per the dev blog on thera:

"The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems will be similar to normal W-space systems in many ways (including delayed-mode local chat), but will have a few important distinctions:"

"• They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space."


And...

"The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systemswill have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions:
• All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.
"

So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. The larges destroyer is around 2m kg in mass. And a cruiser is around 11m kg in mass. So unless I am mistaken, and the small wh's take a max of 10m kg per jump into them, there is absloutly no way, as it stands right now, to be able to mine the ice in these 25 systems.

So... what gives? or am I just misinformed on the max per jump a small frig hole can take?

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#257 - 2014-11-17 23:55:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Hayson
Lady Rift wrote:

3000 Gg = 3 000 000 000 kg
6,815,000 kg for a legion.
440 legions (one way). Could be fun to have random t3 fleets show up in random parts of space to get kills.

A Legion is quite a bit heavier than 6,815 tons. T3s weigh about 14-15 kt. (you need to account for subsystem mass)
Wormhole total mass varies by about 10%, so you have to assume that worst case you only get 2,700 kt of mass so roughly 180 T3s and logis on a one way trip.
Anyway, showing up in random parts of space to blow stuff up is something wormholers already do. You don't need Thera for that. (You also don't need hundreds of T3s for that either)

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)
Ned Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#258 - 2014-11-18 00:14:06 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Reposting yet again.... BOLD is mine

I assume the non answer by ccp means either they did not see it, or they have something not yet ready to announce. However, incase I am mistaken in my understand, I am asking for clarification:

Per the dev blog on thera:

"The seventy five Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems will be similar to normal W-space systems in many ways (including delayed-mode local chat), but will have a few important distinctions:"

"• They will contain minable ice fields. This will be the first ice available in wormhole space."


And...

"The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systemswill have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions:
• All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.
"

So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. The larges destroyer is around 2m kg in mass. And a cruiser is around 11m kg in mass. So unless I am mistaken, and the small wh's take a max of 10m kg per jump into them, there is absloutly no way, as it stands right now, to be able to mine the ice in these 25 systems.

So... what gives? or am I just misinformed on the max per jump a small frig hole can take?


The mythical ice mining frigate shall soon be a reality (I hope).
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#259 - 2014-11-18 00:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one

Jack Hayson wrote:

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)

false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#260 - 2014-11-18 00:27:18 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I don't mine, but reaper good catch. +1 for new ships. and that this isn't an oversight... kinda big one

Jack Hayson wrote:

DaReaper wrote:
So how do you mine the ice in the 25 small wh' systems? The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass.

Simple: you don't.
Frig hole max jumpmass is 5000 tons. (there is a reason why we call them sh*tholes)

false. the T3 destroyers will get a bonus to mining lasers and an ice hold.



see that would make sense. or the damn prospect being able to mine ice, anything. I honestly agree that the lack of a response to such a huge oversight means something is going to be announced. I assume eve downunder, but who knows

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