EVE General Discussion

This change is a win\win all around and anyone that opposes it is out of touch.

1. This change will create content. People won't be as reluctant to PVP for fear of losing a clone.
2. Fights will be better. People will be less inclined to GTFO during a fight to save their clone.
3. Older players will be more inclined to PvP again without fear of losing a clone worth more than 7 of their ships.
4. No more "oops, my character received brain damage because I forgot to pay a bill"
5. More death will result from this, meaning more players will most likely resub.

There's no reward to the clone system, it's a death tax on players based on how long they play. If you forget to pay the death tax you lose progression which, in EVE, represents actual time (a resource that everyone has a finite amount of). After a point which varies per player (for me it's this guy's 45 mil SP), no one wants to lose their pod because there's a very real risk of losing actual time, and once that point is reached there is no reward to go along with the risk of PvP, it's simply no fun anymore. This goes against the persistence of EVE in that everyone who wants to have fun is now rolling yet another alt to mitigate the death tax. Meanwhile, that lovingly-crafted avatar full of memories is sitting in a station or a titan (well, if they're sitting in a titan they're probably not going to be frigate roaming, but whatever) doing literally nothing. Quite frankly, the more people out there trying to blow **** up the better, and they shouldn't have to roll alts to mitigate a stupid tax on play time.

"So what"? We are in a thread talking about clone costs being eliminated.


How do clone costs control vets with low SP alts attacking new players?


The answer is it doesn't.

In a word, BullS**t. There is still plenty of risk. Ship costs as well as implants. Yes many people use implants, which actually, unlike clone costs are actually a valid risk/reward choice.

1. That is how it usually goes, but that is not how it always goes. Regardless it's one less pointless barrier down to engage in more PvP. It's not a revolution, but it's a change for the better with no major downsides.

2. My frigates don't cost anywhere near 50 mil and my clone costs a minimum of 32 mil, so the clone is much more important.

3. That is not an argument for keeping the current system. It's you saying you have no sympathy for those who lose their clones. It's fine, but you don't build good game mechanics on such weak foundations.

4. It's relevant, since it is one of the central reasons the mechanic is being removed in the first place. Offers no gameplay or choices and just punishes forgetfulness. It points to how worthless the feature is in the first place.

5. I think the argument is, that it injects new life in to the game and therefore attracts old players back to the game. If we take it to mean the game mechanic caused people to quit, it still means another reason to get rid of it. On its own that doesn't mean much, since almost anything can cause people to quit. In this case though, since the mechanic doesn't seem to have a reason to exist and the negatives seem to be piling up, the only rational choice is to alter the system to be better. Getting rid of the negatives is a good start.

Yeah uh, I like to get things I want. dunno about you all.

Ship costs is not a risk for vets. Due to the amount of isk in the game, t1 sub cap combat is riskless. As for implants, yea there is a risk associated with them, but not all players use them. Clone costs imposed death risks on vets uniformly.

I have to assume you're a troll. A DEV is a single human being, that particular DEV is in the art department. Being human, they're fallible. Being part of Art instead of Game Balance, they're less likely to know something is factually flawed. The clone cost is not flawed based on facts. It's flawed based on opinions.

Flawed based on OPINION. Just like your own.

Go ahead and Dwight Shrute me a list of how the clone costs is flawed in facts. Then look at these "facts" and relabel the outcomes as OPINION.

So the ship doesn't count at all in this "riskless" factor? Does it change the amount of risk I take based on the isk I have? Is my ship suddenly worth less because of wallet size?

However training skills unrelated to the loss is supposed to be the cost of a podding? So, If a fully maxed research and Indy pilot decides to fly a frigate in a fight, he needs to lose more than a person with the same amount of SP and experience invested in flying the same ship?

I'm not sure why they didn't just make clone upgrading on the same basis of credit card payments.

you pay for a clone grade and from that point on every time you die you just pay the mandatory fee for getting more of the same grade.

I really don't think removing the clone system will actually help personally, but then again I haven't been here for very long and even some of the cheapest clones make my wallet cringe like a gut shot.

At this point I just feel the actual issue is that you always have to remember to upgrade your clones, no other option, instead of just being chronically charged for using that level of clone. Or better yet, having options for different clones that allows for other attributes which would make the clone tax at least a bit more fulfilling.

Choice A: a rather annoying cost is finally removed, allowing for use to be able to do more stupid **** of our own accord and i don't have to worry about it hitting my plex stash. However it allows for vets to do more stupid **** with even less risk than before, which in some ways is good, some ways is bad.

Choice B: 4 warps out I just realized I forgot the keys to my clone at home station. And this little kitten goes meow meow all the way home cuz her wallet is about to go on another diet.