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Should I get a Golem or not?(for PVE)

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HollowDragoon Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-11-11 05:19:50 UTC  |  Edited by: HollowDragoon Kring
I have been in a long standing internal debate with myself on whether or not to go ahead and buy a Golem once I get the isk to purchase and fit it to fly for lvl4's/DED.

Would it be logical at all at my current skills to fit into a Golem at this time or should I really just wait until I have some more time for training skills and what could be a decent fit to use? Any and all Feedback is appreciated!
current skills below
http://eveboard.com/pilot/HollowDragoon_Kring
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Thanks in advance,
HollowDragoon Kring
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
#2 - 2014-11-11 06:05:19 UTC
You didn't link your skills.

Most people do level 4s in high sec, are you planning on doing them in high sec? If yes, then you won't be able to do DED sites with the exception of the very very rare 5/10 escalation.
HollowDragoon Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-11-11 06:38:22 UTC
Edited Main post for stats, also I will be doing high/low/and null sec areas for PVE.
HollowDragoon Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-11-11 06:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: HollowDragoon Kring
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Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-11-11 21:39:11 UTC
Can't say I suggest a Golem in low sec unless you've got friends simply because something like that makes for a really juicy target. The point you should consider getting a Golem should be when you can use T2 cruise or T2 Torps (Torps preferred but I might just be a little old fashioned that way), can fly a RNI with zero issues, want something that is simply better than the RNI, and are willing and able to fork over the money for it.

The Golem is simply the best missile boat you can use, end of story. Better damage, better damage application when combined with Target Painters, easier fitting, room for slots where it matters, and some stupidly good tank with just T2 modules. If you get creative with your fit the thing would probably do fine in low, but again you will be making yourself a target, and Bastion modules do not protect your capacitor.

If you can't fully T2 fit the thing, and you don't have all possible support skills at or close to lvl 5, don't bother. Stick to something less expensive until later.

Just my thoughts as a Golem pilot.
Gefen Orion
Icebox Industries
#6 - 2014-11-12 01:27:23 UTC
Buy the Golem. It's a marauder, the epitome of the level 4 mission runner ship. Your ISK making capabiity will greatly improve with the golem, as it brings dps, tank, and utility all in one hull. I suggest you start using it in high sec first to get yourself acquainted with the hull. Then you can join a nullsec corp, then bring your golem there and you can make billions of isk just by doing null anoms.

Lowsec is a bit tricky because you need alot of preparations to actually thrive in that area. You need to study the space you plan to live in, the people who lives there, escape routes, safe bookmarks, your staging area...so on and so forth. You can solo lowsec with cheaper ships. But bringing a lone marauder there and having no friends to support you will definitely make you a juicy target.

The Golem is an excellent ship. (mainly because you leveled caldari BS 5, i prefer the vargur but each to its own), You will not regret buying the Golem.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#7 - 2014-11-12 02:44:14 UTC
Gefen Orion wrote:
...The Golem is an excellent ship. (mainly because you leveled caldari BS 5, i prefer the vargur but each to its own), You will not regret buying the Golem.


Unless you really like the looks of the Raven, you may want to look at the ship first.

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HollowDragoon Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-11-12 07:06:00 UTC
Thanks for the feedback guys! It will be a little while before I can buy it due to lack of funds sadly but in the meantime I can train some more support and missile skill lvls.
Ion Kirst
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
#9 - 2014-11-12 21:17:07 UTC
When I decided to get a Golem, I already had been flying a CNR for many years. Why didn't I get a Golem sooner? Don't have a good reason.

Anyway, what has to be done is to actually have the isk to buy the Golem. If you're going to earn the money by running L4 missions, you need a BS to do those missions. You have to have the isk for that BS. (That's a lot of L3s)

A Raven (177M) will get the job done, but you still should have decent support skills. So while you "working" for the isk for the Golem (1.1B), you can be completing the skills required to fly the Golem, and grinding out L4s. (Maurader skill 64M)

The L4s don't give out a lot of isk as a reward. You'll earn isk by salvaging those missions, selling the modules. You can actually earn between 25m to 40m per mission, it all depends. So, get a Noctis (90M)

But some real money can be made from the loyalty points. The loyalty points can range from 3500 to 9000 per mission (up to 12000 in those burner missions, but that's another topic). You just have to find something that sells well and often.

I made 1b in one month. That is not benchmark by any means as others has made more, but for me I thought that was pretty good. (so that was doing 2-3 L4 missions every night, and selling the salvage, and turning over the loyalty points.)

Another way, if you want to buy your way into the game is to buy plex, CCP has allowed an "instant win". But you still have to have to wait for all the skills to complete.

(CCP has allowed players to buy their way thru the game, as compared to us "bitter vets" who actually earned our wings, and everything we have thru game play. I feel that those who have bought their way into the game, will never become a "bitter vet".) IMHO

-Kirst

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HollowDragoon Kring
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-11-13 07:52:24 UTC
Ion Kirst wrote:
When I decided to get a Golem, I already had been flying a CNR for many years. Why didn't I get a Golem sooner? Don't have a good reason.

Anyway, what has to be done is to actually have the isk to buy the Golem. If you're going to earn the money by running L4 missions, you need a BS to do those missions. You have to have the isk for that BS. (That's a lot of L3s)

A Raven (177M) will get the job done, but you still should have decent support skills. So while you "working" for the isk for the Golem (1.1B), you can be completing the skills required to fly the Golem, and grinding out L4s. (Maurader skill 64M)

The L4s don't give out a lot of isk as a reward. You'll earn isk by salvaging those missions, selling the modules. You can actually earn between 25m to 40m per mission, it all depends. So, get a Noctis (90M)

But some real money can be made from the loyalty points. The loyalty points can range from 3500 to 9000 per mission (up to 12000 in those burner missions, but that's another topic). You just have to find something that sells well and often.

I made 1b in one month. That is not benchmark by any means as others has made more, but for me I thought that was pretty good. (so that was doing 2-3 L4 missions every night, and selling the salvage, and turning over the loyalty points.)

Another way, if you want to buy your way into the game is to buy plex, CCP has allowed an "instant win". But you still have to have to wait for all the skills to complete.

(CCP has allowed players to buy their way thru the game, as compared to us "bitter vets" who actually earned our wings, and everything we have thru game play. I feel that those who have bought their way into the game, will never become a "bitter vet".) IMHO

-Kirst


Thanks for all the info, I already have marauders researched , just trying to get to lvl 4's to start earning the isk now and training more support skills.
Chillshock
Heavy Industries Inc.
#11 - 2014-11-13 11:53:12 UTC
The only thing I dislike about the golem is, that it doesn't have the cool-gray look of the default raven. (and the low sensor strength!)

Who knows, maybe one day we'll see a nice paintjob for the golem that is not "a bit rusted". XD

It's a very very solid mission boat with easy start and much room for improvement.
Dir Zen
Tax Haven 5.0
#12 - 2014-11-16 23:03:12 UTC
Chillshock wrote:
The only thing I dislike about the golem is, that it doesn't have the cool-gray look of the default raven. (and the low sensor strength!)

Who knows, maybe one day we'll see a nice paintjob for the golem that is not "a bit rusted". XD

It's a very very solid mission boat with easy start and much room for improvement.


That day is going to be much sooner than you thought, these are the skins from SiSi for BS class ships and marauders BS skins. Im so getting the guristas golem skin :D
Chillshock
Heavy Industries Inc.
#13 - 2014-11-17 15:25:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Chillshock
Dir Zen wrote:
That day is going to be much sooner than you thought, these are the skins from SiSi for BS class ships and marauders BS skins. Im so getting the guristas golem skin :D

Oh ... oh my... oh dear YES! CCP! .... TAKE MY MONEY!!!

Absolutely wonderfull. Add a calcari-Skin for the golem, please? Original-Raven-Gray! I miss that.

So far it looks like upcomming kaalakiota golem and police kronos. Maybe the guristas one... but... yeah, still longing for the default raven boring gray. :D
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#14 - 2014-11-17 16:33:00 UTC
Why not? The Golem is a nice-looking ship with variable DPS, thanks to missiles. Just be careful against bombers in Null, a shield-tanked BS is kind of in a bad position regarding bombs.

Just be careful, use scouts, you know the drill.
Altair Taurus
#15 - 2014-11-17 19:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Altair Taurus
Take into account incomes from Level 4 missions vary widely! One mission gives you several million ISK while another one several dozen millions ISK. In fact flying Level 4 missions you earn ISK from: mission reward, bounties, loot and LP store transactions. I can say mission reward constitutes a minor share of your overall income (typically about 1-2 mil. ISK) while loot and bounties are worth a lot more (many millions or even over ten million ISK each). Therefore I advice you to loot wrecks in every mission you have just accomplished using Noctis which gets job done quickly with good salvaging skills. Some folks say about earnings equal to 100 mil. ISK per hour but I think if you can get 100 mil. ISK daily it's still a fairly good, quick and...easy money.

As for the best level 4 mission runner I have flown CNR for a long time and it is quite good but after switching to Rattlesnake I can say this beast is a complete joke and overkill! Rattlesnake with MJD, sentry drones and cruise missiles can do well over 1000 DPS at 100 km being completely safe with minimal tank. I think now Rattlesnake is better choice than Marauders aside from Bastion module's bonuses but opinions vary.
Bullet Therapist
FT Cold Corporation
#16 - 2014-11-17 21:46:44 UTC
I think the snake is probably a better overall choice. You're not tied to bastion, and with the MJD, tank is never an issue. Some people complain that sentries don't get the range, or that your missiles don't apply as well, but I've found that completion times are significantly faster with the snake than with the golem.