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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2014-11-15 07:15:47 UTC
The viability of this as any sort of trade hub will not just be the ability to get into it.
Probably the bigger concern will be the ability to undock.

Undock mechanics will really be a big key.

Poor mechanics will make it "Hotel California".
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corebloodbrothers
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#162 - 2014-11-15 14:31:02 UTC
To me its more a thunderdome then a market hub. Ofc people will sneak stuff in, and public contracts eill hold small ships at a inflated price, as demand suply blabla

Big warps between stations make simulatanious fukl control hard. Nu anchorable bubles, and a delayed local are all going to be fun. Nullified gangs, snipers, it will all be there.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#163 - 2014-11-15 19:21:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.

Edit: which is a great shame. In a way this could be harder to stock than null systems because you can't JF in.

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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
#164 - 2014-11-15 22:13:21 UTC
I really like the reference Fozzie made about Sigil, the Dungeons & Dragons planescape city connected to all other realms and dimensions...

There is great potential, I am just concerned that four stations only may be too easy to shut down by the largest groups...

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#165 - 2014-11-16 08:21:09 UTC
*reads up on Thera*

Ok.

No bubbles (NO DAMN BUBBLES) except for dictors and heavy dictors.

Huge system.

No moons. No PI.

No local (WH space....wheeee).

No caps (but freighters/JF's can squeeze in, barely).

This isn't going to replace Jita, but for some people its going to be absolutely glorious.

Glorious, I tell you.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#166 - 2014-11-16 09:08:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
A part of me hopes that Thera will be like Tortuga from POTC.


But my experience with the min-max sperglords tells me that it'll be get pulled out of warp then die and that's that.

It might be assumed that I'm referring to killmail min maxers, but I'm not. I refer to the ones already in place, doing with they do best that we all have written and read about.

And this means that nobody will be hunting the hunters because you don't maximize your ISK doing that.

Meaning that "Tortuga becomes the place the Black Pearl went to get a crew after being raised from the deep "and was sunk in 24 hours end of story (or, no story at all for that matter and no game at all for that other matter where this analogy is made).


Get rid of all kinds of bubbles and we'll have a cauldron of PVP. Keep the dictor bubbles and we'll have a WTFOMGBBQPWMWellThatSuckedBackToIncursionsMeh,

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#167 - 2014-11-16 09:32:05 UTC
Nuela wrote:


Exactly. I will take risks...it's just that, In Eve, there is very little reward worth the extra risk.


You just tell that to yourself to make you feel better about your risk averse self.
Grey Stone
BRUTAL GENESIS
GaNg BaNg TeAm
#168 - 2014-11-16 11:09:35 UTC
I personally would like if CCP would make any kind of bubbles in Thera impossible. I think it would make this system much more believable and fun. People would need to work harder to get kills. my 2c.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#169 - 2014-11-16 23:27:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Paynus Maiassus
Yeah I posted my initial skepticism about Thera as a trade hub a few pages back.

Putting a lot of entrances and exits into the system will make the system as a whole impossible to lock down. However, there are only 4 stations. 4 stations are not hard to lock down.

If CCP wants Thera to be a trade hub, they need to come up with some uniquely powerful station guns that work like CONCORD or something. Basically that will give us high sec stations in WH space.

Failing that, Thera can't be a trade hub. it can still be a really cool system for people to go visit. But it won't live up to its expectations until people can freely dock and undock from the stations. I am writing this post for the future. From what I am getting, when they say something is coming out during the next release, they are usually pretty much done with the major technological issues of it. They respond to feedback but usually only to adjust numbers or make changes that don't require much code. Anyway, my suspicion is that at this point Thera will be hitting the market as currently written. But for the expansion AFTER Thera, you could add some really intense station guns to make sure anybody can dock and undock. Then, given the huge number of entrances and exits from the system, savvy traders could get in and out.

The station guns should shoot bubbles as well as aggressive ships.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#170 - 2014-11-17 00:00:33 UTC
Well, a covert nullified strategic cruiser can haul in some 1k m³ in minerals at a time.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#171 - 2014-11-17 00:30:14 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.

Edit: which is a great shame. In a way this could be harder to stock than null systems because you can't JF in.
I believe you can cyno jump within the same wormhole system.

Interesting, isn't it?

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Moraguth
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#172 - 2014-11-17 01:33:49 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.

Edit: which is a great shame. In a way this could be harder to stock than null systems because you can't JF in.
I believe you can cyno jump within the same wormhole system.

Interesting, isn't it?


Yeah, that was my thinking for being a pirate in the system. Covert cynos would allow your entire cov ops fleet to cross the entire system on a moment's notice. I guess it would work for jump freighters too (so long as they can get in system without being bubbled).

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Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#173 - 2014-11-17 02:42:18 UTC
A market hub with WH rules. Boy, I see no room for exploitation there. Especially if a large group with coms decides to show up and use it to grief all known space. Luckily EvE does not have people like that, very large groups who sole purpose is to destroy games.

Looks like we dodged a bullet there thanks to CCP fully thinking this change through.
Telegram Sam
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2014-11-17 02:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Telegram Sam
Late in discussion, but OP's posted video was excellent, I thought. Well reasoned, fact-checked, background researched, precision edited, and voice-presented like a Morgan Freeman. Total pro. Do you get paid for this kind of stuff in RL?

Will check your 'Youtube channel again.
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#175 - 2014-11-17 08:17:39 UTC
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Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#176 - 2014-11-17 09:06:52 UTC
corebloodbrothers wrote:
To me its more a thunderdome then a market hub. Ofc people will sneak stuff in, and public contracts eill hold small ships at a inflated price, as demand suply blabla

Big warps between stations make simulatanious fukl control hard. Nu anchorable bubles, and a delayed local are all going to be fun. Nullified gangs, snipers, it will all be there.



seriosuly? Four stations makes simultaneous contorl hard? Do you ever play eve? Locking down four areas in one system is easy. Four groups of people. Bing, done. What's so hard? The distance between stations is irrelevant if people don't need to move between them.

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2014-11-17 12:16:30 UTC
Bwhahahah. A merchant going to Thera will be like driving a beer truck through Detroit...at night...with the doors open...with Ice Cream truck music playing...while stuck in second gear...



...I could go on, but I think you all get the point.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#178 - 2014-11-17 13:21:08 UTC
You know there is life outside of highsec. Indeed some people almost never venture into highsec. As for "we need lots of stuff before its good for trade and to live there". Our wormhole had no trade hub in it at all. We bring everything with us. In our old C2 there was at least 2 people who didn't even base out of a POS.

As for locking the system down. Well with only hics and interdictors, it is at least harder. Also there is a rumor that station guns may not like bubbles or bubblers. But we will have to see. Of course there is not a lot of point in doing this unless there is someone to play with. Even the f1 monkeys in the big corps get bored.

As for more stations? How many stations are in jita? I don't know, i only ever use one the very rare times i am there. Howmany of you have every used any of the other stations.

This place, and the 100 other new WH systems all sound like a lot of fun to me.

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Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#179 - 2014-11-17 14:52:30 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
You know there is life outside of highsec. Indeed some people almost never venture into highsec. As for "we need lots of stuff before its good for trade and to live there". Our wormhole had no trade hub in it at all. We bring everything with us. In our old C2 there was at least 2 people who didn't even base out of a POS.

As for locking the system down. Well with only hics and interdictors, it is at least harder. Also there is a rumor that station guns may not like bubbles or bubblers. But we will have to see. Of course there is not a lot of point in doing this unless there is someone to play with. Even the f1 monkeys in the big corps get bored.

As for more stations? How many stations are in jita? I don't know, i only ever use one the very rare times i am there. Howmany of you have every used any of the other stations.

This place, and the 100 other new WH systems all sound like a lot of fun to me.


It will be a lot of fun.......for people to mess around, explore, and fight in.

It's just that CCP is hoping that it will be one of the most populated systems in space so they are making sure it has an uncrashable server. That won't happen.

They are making an exception to the no caps rule for freighters because they want it to become a trade hub. That won't happen.

The goons are going to come in and put 50 dictors at each of the 4 stations and perm camp it and blow up anyone who undocks.

Thera will be cool and it will be fun. It's just not going to be the Jita in WH space they hope it will be. The only way they will achieve their goals is to make the stations uncampable by having some station guns that shoot 500K HP damage at anything that violates a yellow safety setting within 10K of the station. If you want to make Thera a freeport, you need the 4 ports to be free. The rest of the system can be complete lawless WH space. But you have to protect the ports for docking and undocking.

I think everybody agrees with you that Thera is some very welcome and super cool new lore related content, the first in years (other than mission types and whatnot). It's a real major deal and we're all really excited. But it's not going to be one of the most populated systems in Eve rivaling Jita or anything. If they want that they need to protect the stations.
DeadDuck
Trust Doesn't Rust
Goonswarm Federation
#180 - 2014-11-17 15:43:03 UTC
Seems THE place to go for some pew pew. Instead of roaming around you will go there on the 1st place. Cool