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Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#121 - 2014-11-16 01:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Siobhan MacLeary
EdXell wrote:
But if it was sisters surely they'd be able to impersonate him without all that hexadecimal stuff. The communications we've received from the fake Dr. Tukoss (assuming that this one's real) suggest an alien intelligence imitating our speech. In my opinion at this point the most likely suspects are either Sleepers or some other group that we haven't met yet.

I admit the presence of the odd hexadecimal strings does suggest rather strongly that the Tukoss who asked for Jove parts is a programmed facsimile of some kind.

However, while Sleepers or an as-yet unknown force is likely, the mere presence of hexadecimal code doesn't rule out the Sisters as our culprit. It's more than possible to construct a crude program that can attempt to impersonate someone based on past communications, and Dr. Tukoss has never been a reticent man.

It is also possible that Dr. Tukoss' captors and the impersonator are working independently of each other.

E: To respond to Pr. Sealbreaker, the Empires themselves are not monolithic, they have internal factions and politics. I would be very surprised if the Sisters kept no secrets from each other.

We must remember that our fallacies and foibles are not unique to our immortal status, and our mortal brethren are just that - mortal. A mortal may choose a riskier path, as they do not have the luxury of infinite patience.

E2: Cleaning up some formatting. Wasted space is annoying.

β€œPoint out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#122 - 2014-11-16 03:06:08 UTC
Out of the information I've gathered...

Anyone got any info on stockpiles of Isogen-5 being present, or moved around recently?

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Lister Vindaloo
5 Tons of Flax
#123 - 2014-11-16 04:54:28 UTC
We can assume quite strongly that we received messages from two Tukoses, secondly the hexadecimal code in the message was either an unavoidable byproduct of the communication or a well fielded ploy to divert attention, as of yet we cannot be sure which is true, so it leads us to the conclusion that any assumptions we make based on the available information are speculative and possibly desired by those perpetrating this deception.

However, I have some recently received intelligence about previously unexplored wormholes being discovered, it also appears that an abnormal percentage of these are WR systems, considering the degree of wormhole exploration up until today, I feel it would be madness to not be on the lookout for these WH's and to also consider what if any connection their recent appearance may have with Hilens sudden re-appearance
Candi LeMew
Division 13
#124 - 2014-11-16 08:16:19 UTC
Trii Seo wrote:
Anyone got any info on stockpiles of Isogen-5 being present, or moved around recently?

One unit of Isogen 5 checking in, ma'am.

I can assure you though we've nothing at all to do with any of this strangeness.

🍌

Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...

"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
#125 - 2014-11-16 08:46:15 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
To respond to Pr. Sealbreaker, the Empires themselves are not monolithic, they have internal factions and politics. I would be very surprised if the Sisters kept no secrets from each other.


You are completely right on that.
I'd go as far as saying that once you have two persons in a team, it starts.

Yet I can hope to find someone who knows something. The personnel studying the EVE Gate is comprised of multiple wormhole specialists. Even if no-one wants to talk or knows anything, I can see if a lot of them have been transferred elsewhere recently. That would possibly be a lead.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#126 - 2014-11-16 09:14:41 UTC
Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:
To respond to Pr. Sealbreaker, the Empires themselves are not monolithic, they have internal factions and politics. I would be very surprised if the Sisters kept no secrets from each other.


You are completely right on that.
I'd go as far as saying that once you have two persons in a team, it starts.

Yet I can hope to find someone who knows something. The personnel studying the EVE Gate is comprised of multiple wormhole specialists. Even if no-one wants to talk or knows anything, I can see if a lot of them have been transferred elsewhere recently. That would possibly be a lead.


It's definitely a start.

For all that these discussions are semi-public, I think that for now it is a good idea to keep our investigations as subtle and quiet as possible. There's no telling who or what we might be going up against, and what kind of power our opponent(s) may have.

β€œPoint out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#127 - 2014-11-16 11:29:28 UTC
Vieve Creston wrote:
It has come to the attention of the Directive Enforcement Department that a number of individuals have been donating items to a resource drop in Site One in the Eram system. We are also aware this effort is taking place at the request of an ambiguously identified person. The DED would like to take the opportunity to strongly advise against this course of action until such time as the identity of the person initiating this effort can be verified.

Despite claims that this person is Dr Hilen Tukoss, we are unable to verify the identity of the sender of the transmission requesting capsuleer assistance, and we have had no confirmed contact with Dr Tukoss since his disappearance. The DED is also unable to identify the original source of the carrier signal for the original transmission, or this transmission prior to its relay through transponder 30003453-50008995-50006664.

Please refrain from further interactions with any claimant of this NeoCom ident until their true identity and motives are verified. We repeat that it is strongly advised to stand down and refrain from following requests or instructions from such a source.

Thank you.

Liam Antolliere wrote:
I am by no means a cryptography expert, but:

Hilen Tukoss wrote:

I e(i)mplore you all to continue to further the Arek'Jalaan Project and to continue to work toward a solution. I leave the fate of the project in your hands, and if there is any chance of my escape in future, I will endeavor to do so.


You heard what DED said, Arek'Jalaan?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#128 - 2014-11-16 12:37:12 UTC
DED often says words, as surprising as it may be given that whenever they speak we hear mostly the barking of loyal hounds.

This time they're either baiting us to search harder or trying to subtly say "We're on this, this is DED business, get out".

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Shae Mataar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#129 - 2014-11-16 15:17:31 UTC
d.e.d?

subtle?

i bring that which you fear the most

freedom

no matter what the price
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
#130 - 2014-11-16 15:27:40 UTC
DED activity is rarely subtle.

Unit XS365BT. Designated Communications Officer. Unit Commune.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2014-11-16 15:39:24 UTC
They've made progress on the subtlety front, they've actually become capable of speaking up without including a warning about the consequences of our actions.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2014-11-16 17:26:11 UTC
Unit XS365BT wrote:
DED activity is rarely subtle.

They can be as subtle as a hammer nailing home a point.

However, as I said; they seem to be echoing points made by others. They offer nothing new. The first conclusion made usually creates a bias. If you are attempting to misdirect the attention of someone it's best to create a false first impression, and you should always reinforce that perception.

This goes for DED as much as the individual claiming to be Tukoss, Hilen.

It's good to see you again regardless. Have you seen my paints? I think I last saw them in Mabnen. Blood Raiders were there at the time. Do you like poetry--

>>COMMUNICATION TERMINATED<<
EdXell
Perkone
Caldari State
#133 - 2014-11-16 18:03:57 UTC
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:

It is also possible that Dr. Tukoss' captors and the impersonator are working independently of each other.



I hadn't considered that. Kidnapping and imprisonment don't seem like the usual sisters procedure but we don't have enough intel to rule them out.

Come to think of it we don't have enough intel to rule anyone out. All we've got are some cryptic clues and a missing scientist and a boatload of speculation with no solid intel to back it up. Bottom line: we need more intel.

I'm conducting my own investigation into this matter. If anyone wants to collaberate feel free to contact me.
Siobhan MacLeary
Doomheim
#134 - 2014-11-16 20:14:44 UTC
I find it amusing that the DED is attempting subtlety.

β€œPoint out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.” - CCP Soundwave
Byrbeglin Alcantar
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#135 - 2014-11-16 22:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Byrbeglin Alcantar
Deceiver's Echo wrote:
Have you seen my paints? I think I last saw them in Mabnen. Blood Raiders were there at the time. Do you like poetry--

>>COMMUNICATION TERMINATED<<


I searched Mabnen and the surrounding systems, but was unable to locate your paints. Please advise.

EDIT: As for the evil robots pretending to be our missing scientist-friend--

They mentioned a number of systems located in Anoikis that they have been interested in: residents of each of the listed systems have reported conditions to be quiet (aside from the spike in A'J capsuleers poking around), perhaps the take-away is simply that there is another system being settled that we have been unaware of.

They requested body parts, which they received: despite obviously being evil robots. Here, maybe, the take-away is just that being an evil robot apparently has its perks.

Scrambled-Tukoss warned us that site one was contaminated, yet reports from capsuleers that have recently visited site one indicate nothing sinister. Yet.

Looking at what we know and what we can speculate about still leaves me wondering where our efforts are best spent at the moment. For now, I'm looking for the paints.
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#136 - 2014-11-17 01:59:42 UTC
Byrbeglin Alcantar wrote:
For now, I'm looking for the paints.

Thank you!

As for Tukoss, I always go by an old adage my father told me. "If you see a soldier dead on a road, he's not there by accident." Perhaps the system ID of an unknown system is intentional, and not what it seems. If you are sending messages via an unsecured transmitter, you include an innocuous piece of information that can easily slip past detection. In that piece of information you include important details.

Like blinking coordinates in an esoteric binary code, using burst transmission during a maintenance cycle to avoid the message being intercepted, things like that.
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#137 - 2014-11-17 05:05:49 UTC
I can't believe I only just saw this now.

Someone or something wants the Jovian's parts- and they impersonated Tukoss to do so.

This is going to be big. Now it's only a question of when this is going to blow up.

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#138 - 2014-11-17 05:21:04 UTC
The hex code is not cypher code. This means that the code itself is a result of failed re-encoding or decoding. When a value is transmitted it may be a common value for a byte of data. That value is then encoded again for the system that receives it.



So when I transmit a message for example the system I am using depends on the technology at hand. A minmatar system will encode for the minmatar character set and come out encoded on the receiving end for that character set, or any system capable of knowing to what byte value the incoming value translates. Hence a minmatar encoding on a gallente system might come out looking like jibberish.

So what's breaking the communications? If at all broken? We might be looking at a raw stream. I don't think they would make a mistake trying to fool us, especially over something that simple. If the hex values had to be decrypted first then I would wonder about obfuscation.

The only reasons I can think of for this is that by breaking the encoding this is to get past some kind of communication filter, as such it might be looking for certain words but treats the raw stream of hex codes like it were packet fillers or maybe some static.

Or it could be that who or whatever is up to something has very little knowledge of what they are doing and are running something with loose wires - for all we know they got electrodes hooked up to a human brain somewhere and they are having to shake the jar to get these messages out.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
GForce917
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#139 - 2014-11-17 06:29:13 UTC
I've attempted to decode a bit more of Dr. Tukoss' message. I couldn't find much but I figured I'd post it anyway.
Hilen Tukoss wrote:
Th(is is the first transm)ission I hav(e been able to ma)ke in so(me time. Thi)s is Dr Hil(len Tuk)oss, broa(dcasting on lo)w band eme(rgen)cy FTL – I’m uns(ure of t)he exact fr(equen)cy.

Site On(e is compromi)sed. All sta(ff inv)olved wi(th the Are)k’Jal(aan Pr)oject sho(uld cons)ider it inse(cure an)d should aba(ndon an)y equi(pment the)rein, cons(ider it cont)amin(ated).

(Disre)gard the pre(viou)s commun(ication)s from wh(at ap)pears to be m(y) NeoC(om. The)ir inte(nt )is misdir(ection o)n the p(art of tho)se who ha(ve me res)trained. DT* coope(rated wit)h the(m in )all c(ases.)

I ha(ve attem)pted to ma(ke conta)ct (with Eif)yr & C(o to no av)ail, in or(der to re)lay det(ails of m)y situa(tion). It is my la(st hop)e tha(t this t)ransmissi(on will b)e pick(ed up by t)he FTL networ(k and broa)dcast t(o the perti)nent pl(aces?).

I am cu(rrently held aga)inst my wi(ll, my cap)tors are unkno(wn but from t)he few det(ails of my s)urrou(ndings I hav)e bee(n able to asc)ertain, I am bei(ng he)ld somewh(ere in Anoi)kis. The ava(ilable d)ata tha(t I could ga)ther wo(uld sugg)est some(where in clos)e pro(ximity to a Wolf-Ray)et, given luminos(ity an)d gravity signatures.

It is impe(rative t)he cap(suleer ta)skforce dedica(ted to Arek'Ja)laan contin(ue the)ir work i(n my abs)ence. With(out my pre)sence, t(he pro)ject mus(t conti)nue to adva(nce with re)cent (inform)ation (you've) received.

I beli(eve my cap)tors to be (Sleeper? Sister? Pirate? Jovian?)s, fear(ful of the e)vent (now t)ranspiring, and (are in a st)ate of (pa)nic.

I emp(lore [sic] you) all to continue to further the (aims of the Are)k’Jalaan proj(ect and to con)tinue to wo(rk on a so)lution. (The f)ate of the (pro)ject (is now) in yo(ur ha)nds, and (if the)re is any (chance of communication/my escape?) in future, I (shal/wil)l endea(vour to d)o so.

D(--- - - - -- - )rch (--- - - )m (--- - -- -d)anger I( - - - - -------- - - -)o gr(-- -- -- --- )


*I don't know who or what DT is but it could be important.
Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#140 - 2014-11-17 06:29:38 UTC
I've looked at the message in several ways.

First of all, tried to interpret the interference as, indeed, broken hexadecimal or decimal code with no encryption - as it is an emergency broadcast. This yielded little result, the output data was still incomprehensible gibberish.

After noticing a lot of occurence of '1' as a value, I've filtered it out - treating as garbage data. The data was still illegible.

A different approach: a long while ago, we had a joke method of transmitting rudimentary binary data by piggybacking radio transmissions. One station would rebroadcast to another while altering the base signal with noise becoming a set of value-1 on noise present and 0 on signal clear. Quantity of '1' and '0' bits was determined by the length of each period.

Analyzing the transmission by taking '-' as a noise sample and ' ' as 0-break yields nothing, as does reversing it. I have no reasons to believe the data is encrypted - but if someone wants to give it a shot they can contact me for the raw data.

(Or break down the transmission themselves, if you're wondering about encryption you probably can do what I did null-sweat)

On another note, the Isogen-5 question.

0411632 - //ROUTER TOKEN EXPIRY – 116//01/20 – 14:29

Doesn't RTE come with the ident of the origin ss? If it does, it could refer to 40411632, the database designator of a celestial in J-space. J101354/V/1 to be exact.

J101354 itself is not close to any Wolf-Rayets. But it is an A0 small blue - could be a stretch, given that it comes from a partial match.

Right, on the numbers I'm not saying much yet. Was about to dump that nothing could be extracted from them, but recent hours proved me so wrong it's not even funny. Need to filter through this before I even attempt to draw conclusions.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

Arek'Jaalan: Heliograph