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Addressing the frigate wormholes....

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Jez Amatin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-11-15 13:10:01 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:

  • do you believe they should change all these holes (current frigate wormholes and the new frigate systems) to include cruisers.
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    basically this would prob be the best thing to do, so they can invest resources on stuff that is more important right now.
    epicurus ataraxia
    Illusion of Solitude.
    Illusion of Solitude
    #22 - 2014-11-15 13:20:36 UTC
    Jez Amatin wrote:
    Phoenix Jones wrote:

  • do you believe they should change all these holes (current frigate wormholes and the new frigate systems) to include cruisers.
    • [/list]


    basically this would prob be the best thing to do, so they can invest resources on stuff that is more important right now.


    Sorry, uncloseable t3 holesShocked what could possibly go wrong.....

    Is there a problem having somewhere the little fish can grow?

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    Aladar Dangerface
    Federal Navy Academy
    Gallente Federation
    #23 - 2014-11-15 13:20:45 UTC
    I am neither for or against these holes atm, they are not big content generators and without being able to switch clones they wont ever reach there full potential however with the new dessies they may become useful.

    For everyone who says you cant get good kills from them: https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=25668940 and https://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=25182538 (yes both were thought a frig hole)


    Although i wasn't at the golem kill by all accounts it was a fun fight and the domi fight defo was a fun gank.

    The new frig systems might be interesting for pve but again until we can swap out our clones they will be a little limited for pvp

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    Jez Amatin
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #24 - 2014-11-15 13:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jez Amatin
    epicurus ataraxia wrote:

    Sorry, uncloseable t3 holesShocked what could possibly go wrong.....

    Is there a problem having somewhere the little fish can grow?


    please dont be so stupid as to imply that is what i suggested thank u. clearly uncloseable holes that let t3 & co thru would be dumb. i consider my corp to be little fish (yes we also take on some noobs), and we are growing / existing just fine with existing mechanics, creating a secluded noob friendly w-space is not needed.

    lets just say it is for a second and these become full of noobs derping around... what's going to happen when they outgrow and move to a proper wspace system and are confronted with a diff set of mechanics?
    Teleil Zoomers
    Royal Sphynx Ltd
    #25 - 2014-11-15 14:19:04 UTC
    Alundil wrote:
    Phoenix Jones wrote:
    I hate doing these "ask the community" threads because they usually devolve and collapse very quickly, so I'll just put the facts down as I see it.

    The frigate wormholes don't work (this is my opinion, I have no statistics for it). This has reduced down the scale of hunting and pvp to a specific class of ship, which in most respects, we don't use and we don't fly on a regular basis. We rarely jump them, rarely use them, and usually are not worth going into for the majority of wormhole space. The new 25 frigate specific wormholes would have the additional bandaid of the wolf rayet effect (pretty much, armor fits only). The wolf rayet effect in these holes is a bandaid and a additional restrictive measure, killing any shield ship people would fly into them.

    This should be addressed now, not later.

    I don't have an answer for this, but I have my own opinion.

    The simplest fix as I've seen.. Remove the c6 effect and make those holes include up to cruisers. No battle cruisers, no battleships, just Frigs through t3's. Change all frig sized wormholes to include up to cruiser.

    With that said:


    • do you believe that the frigate wormholes should stay as is, and that the 25 new systems should be frig only (frigate destroyer and heavy interdictor).
    • do you believe they should change all these holes (current frigate wormholes and the new frigate systems) to include cruisers.



    Serious reply:

    I make it a point to jump (unless they are EOL and I'm pressed for time) them specifically because it's a normal system on the other side with people potentially doing normal things in normal ships or even better stupid things in expensive ships. Has that resulted in some excellent fight yet? No it hasn't. But that's not discouraged me yet. :)

    As for the new 25 "shattered" frigate only holes I do think it would be nice to see some anchor-able moons in those to give people the option to call it home. I can understand why CCP won't (likely) do this since attempting to kill a tower with small guns would be suicide long and it would probably take less time to blockade the residents until the tower ran out of fuel, tbh.

    On the matter of wh effects in those same frigate-only systems I, too, would to see more than just a WR effect. At that point it becomes Enyo/Ishkur or go home for the most part and that's not fun sounding. To say nothing of the simple fact that the fights in there with frigate hulls would be over much faster than frigate fights already are (and that's saying something). I don't think C6WR effects for frigates will be "fun". But others might so vOv

    All in all I'm impressed with the continued steps that CCP is taking to shake up this game that we all love and love to loathe. Perhaps someday "Eve is a terrible game" fade just like the "Eve has sound?" meme. CCP is certainly hitting some decidedly high notes lately.


    i agree that they should have anchorable moons. maybe they could somehow limit it to small pos only or small/medium only .

    With these new polarized weapons coming out it might not be so completely impossible to bash a tower with a bunch of frigs/dessies.
    Agatir Solenth
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #26 - 2014-11-15 14:41:16 UTC
    Keep frigate only stuff in FW.
    epicurus ataraxia
    Illusion of Solitude.
    Illusion of Solitude
    #27 - 2014-11-15 17:16:00 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
    Jez Amatin wrote:
    epicurus ataraxia wrote:

    Sorry, uncloseable t3 holesShocked what could possibly go wrong.....

    Is there a problem having somewhere the little fish can grow?


    please dont be so stupid as to imply that is what i suggested thank u. clearly uncloseable holes that let t3 & co thru would be dumb. i consider my corp to be little fish (yes we also take on some noobs), and we are growing / existing just fine with existing mechanics, creating a secluded noob friendly w-space is not needed.

    lets just say it is for a second and these become full of noobs derping around... what's going to happen when they outgrow and move to a proper wspace system and are confronted with a diff set of mechanics?


    So, not uncloasable, not limited to frigates, wait, we just got those the new shattered planet holes.
    So now that is out of the way, you are not forced to use the frigate hole space, they may not even be for you at all, just because we are all used to certain things does not mean there cannot be opportunities for others.

    As for whether new space is needed? It was working so very well before, thousands were rushing in? Or? No not really it seems.

    CCP are trying, Hard, to bring life (not pure victims) into the bottom of the foodchain as well. New life, new vitality.
    Our CSM are working their butts off to bring life back.

    So all a waste of time? We didn't need to encourage those players anyway? Others disagree with that sentiment.

    So, before people answering you are described as stupid, you might just want to think what bringing cruisers into this fragile new space would do to it?

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    Jez Amatin
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #28 - 2014-11-15 21:06:43 UTC
    epicurus ataraxia wrote:
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    the stupid part is you insinuating something i did not say (re-read my post). the bottom line is don't make things up to fit your own agenda, i'll call anyone out for that any day. the rest of your post doesn't make sense. i would try to put into words why, but since you dont seem to have reading comprehension i fear my time may be better spent actually helping some nubros in wspace.
    epicurus ataraxia
    Illusion of Solitude.
    Illusion of Solitude
    #29 - 2014-11-16 00:29:03 UTC
    Jez Amatin wrote:
    epicurus ataraxia wrote:
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    the stupid part is you insinuating something i did not say (re-read my post). the bottom line is don't make things up to fit your own agenda, i'll call anyone out for that any day. the rest of your post doesn't make sense. i would try to put into words why, but since you dont seem to have reading comprehension i fear my time may be better spent actually helping some nubros in wspace.



    I am not getting at you in any way, but if you feel offended, i am sorry about that.
    You may not see the value of them, but you may wish to reconsider when we know their full features, and have a chance to experience them.

    You are naturally quite within your rights to your opinion. Others are too.

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    Saisin
    Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
    #30 - 2014-11-16 04:21:03 UTC
    Like the frig holes, and the idea of frogs only shattered wh space.... I see no reasons to alter the current course...

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    Kirasten
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #31 - 2014-11-16 13:04:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Kirasten
    I'm curious, aside from the fact an unclose-able cruiser sized hole would bring bearing to a halt, what do you see as the problem with an unclose-able t3 hole?

    Unless the two entities originated in the connecting systems, its not like you can blob any more than you can on any other hole, due to the chain you have to use to get to the unclose-able hole.

    So is it halting the bearing you are opposed to, or the rare occasion that the 2 wormhole entities in question have an unclose-able hole between their home systems?
    Phoenix Jones
    Small-Arms Fire
    #32 - 2014-11-16 15:48:49 UTC
    Kirasten wrote:
    I'm curious, aside from the fact an unclose-able cruiser sized hole would bring bearing to a halt, what do you see as the problem with an unclose-able t3 hole?

    Unless the two entities originated in the connecting systems, its not like you can blob any more than you can on any other hole, due to the chain you have to use to get to the unclose-able hole.

    So is it halting the bearing you are opposed to, or the rare occasion that the 2 wormhole entities in question have an unclose-able hole between their home systems?


    Unclosable holes always favor the people with numbers. You can control the flow and commitment of people if you control the mass, dictating how much a group can bring in.

    I'm going to request closure of this thread (it's my thread). I'll come up with some concepts for the frig hole.

    Yaay!!!!
    epicurus ataraxia
    Illusion of Solitude.
    Illusion of Solitude
    #33 - 2014-11-16 16:04:28 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
    Being as we are also being given a much larger number of unrestricted shattered wormholes, I believe there is a stong reason to provide the Smaller ones too. there is a need for something for all sizes and abilities.

    As for the idea of them being wolf rayett? That is good, but there is also room for some that suit frigates that are shield based.
    Hopefully if these are popular, then they can be added later.

    Whilst we are not players that historically have focused on frigates and destroyers, there are those who have, and also those who we wish to sample wormhole life, and possibly grow into the community.

    There are those who train players, all credit to them, we need many and more like this, but this path does not suit all.

    But there are also players who are highly experienced, just not in our methods and ships, who would love to reap the riches of wormholes and have good fights without getting Hotdropped. And would feel highly insulted by being treated as noobs.

    They can use these as their point to launch their new career.

    Let us all hope that we are pleased and excited by how all the new space works out, a lot of effort has been clearly put into it, let us not judge it by our preconceptions but by what we can discover to do with them.

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    #34 - 2014-11-16 17:01:11 UTC
    Thread closed on OP's request.

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