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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2014-11-16 02:17:34 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
{snip} It was fine for 10 years.{snip}

It really wasn't. Sovereignty was broken. Dominion pushed the knee 180 degrees the other way and broke it outright.

The Incarna rage was about a number of things: outrageous prices in the NeX, far too little content delivered, pay-to-win being contemplated, aurum... But the the backdrop for all of this that caused the shooting of the statue was that they did these things instead of the myriad fixes and overhauls to the game that were needed. POS and sovereignty are still broken for that matter, but CCP Seagull seems to have a bead on them as well.

They're modernizing Eve On-line. Clone costs are one of the design quirks that keep veteran and younger players from mixing it up, in the same fleet or in opposition.

If your original statement was meant to be understood such that you were only talking about clone costs being fine for 10 years, then I believe that is still not correct. People have been complaining about for at least 7 years.

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But in purple, I'm stunning!
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#102 - 2014-11-16 02:20:19 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
what about me? how were my posts



They were as good as your fajitas.

Call me Joe.
Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2014-11-16 02:36:42 UTC
13kr1d1 wrote:
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Ugh. I hope CCP doesn't add new clone-upgrade stuff. We have skills, ships, modules, implants, drugs, and command boosts. It's enough. We also don't need ship crews added into the game as some people suggest. If I were supreme dictator of EVE I'd gut the crap out of her and reduce it all down to skills, ships, and modules.


Then we need a new server for the old version of EVE updated with some reasonable streamlining of stuff that exists in the old/core version of EVE. That way CCP can please you by gutting EVE like they're doing already but even more, while pleasing people who enjoy the original. It's going to be a coke vs coke-zero debacle anyway. Let's get this over with.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have as much fun as you want, but I enjoyed EVE as it was. That game is going away. You're alternatively saying I shouldn't have as much fun as I want because you've decided certain mechanics should go.


Your definition of "fun" is paying a stupid linear fee every time you go pvp in nullsec?

"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#104 - 2014-11-16 02:41:27 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
what about me? how were my posts



They were as good as your fajitas.


that's it? no digs about going into a corner or anything? which hurts my feelings by the way.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#105 - 2014-11-16 03:25:48 UTC
Save our clones?

I have a container of about 1,500 of them. Is that enough?

-k8

My Fanclub
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#106 - 2014-11-16 03:30:49 UTC
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#107 - 2014-11-16 03:51:13 UTC
kate, there's no smell?

oh, nvm. the corpses are flash frozen

yeah no wait, there's no smell?
Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#108 - 2014-11-16 03:55:43 UTC
I don't smell anything.

-k8

My Fanclub
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#109 - 2014-11-16 04:07:04 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
I don't smell anything.

In space, no one can smell your corpses.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-11-16 04:08:42 UTC
For OP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRdfX7ut8gw

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!
Jvpiter
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#111 - 2014-11-16 04:12:21 UTC
Commissar Kate wrote:
Save our clones?

I have a container of about 1,500 of them. Is that enough?



I keep reading "Save Our Clothes Initiative".


For a few seconds my mind says, "I can get behind that."

Call me Joe.
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2014-11-16 04:21:46 UTC
Jvpiter wrote:
Commissar Kate wrote:
Save our clones?

I have a container of about 1,500 of them. Is that enough?



I keep reading "Save Our Clothes Initiative".


For a few seconds my mind says, "I can get behind that."


Was why I clicked on it originally.

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!
Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#113 - 2014-11-16 05:08:59 UTC
Removing clone costs is a terrible idea. Here's why I think that is.

Clone costs add an extra cost to war, and an extra risk. If you're fighting and you're podded repeatedly (let's say your station is camped), those clone upgrades add up. Eventually, you'll run out of money. Then what do you do? You either risk losing skill points, or surrender. Now I know what you're thinking: That's a remote possibility, that's a low-chance scenario... However you might put it, there's only one place where I can imagine this happening: Nullsec.

Let me tell you what I think. And CCP, please correct me if I'm wrong. I think the Null power blocs are upset with CCP for taking away their wtfpowerprojection via the new jump mechanics. And given that they have voices in the CSM, they have a perfect channel for telling CCP so. I think that removing these clone costs is CCPs way of appeasing these power blocs. I think that removing clone costs will in some way give them back their power projection. Think about it: if they don't have to worry about clone upgrades, then they can just fart around the universe via the pod express, implants are rare out there anyway because of the risk of getting podded. And of course they can (and will) find ways to keep assets in places that they know they can clone to. Yeah, they can do that anyway. But right now, it costs them.

Someone please tell me I'm wrong (I would love to be wrong), and more importantly, tell me why I'm wrong. Give me a solid, well-reasoned explanation.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#114 - 2014-11-16 05:16:16 UTC
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#115 - 2014-11-16 05:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kerono Thalmor
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#116 - 2014-11-16 05:53:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

Ok, fine, I'll bite. It's like I have a big shard of glass stuck in my foot. There are two schools of thought. The first goes something like "It really hurts to have this shard of glass in my foot, I think I'll pull it out." The other one is "Keep that shard in there because pain makes you stronger."

I, along with most other non-masochists fall into the first camp. Does this make more sense now?

Bacon makes us stronger
Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#117 - 2014-11-16 05:55:42 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

Ok, fine, I'll bite. It's like I have a big shard of glass stuck in my foot. There are two schools of thought. The first goes something like "It really hurts to have this shard of glass in my foot, I think I'll pull it out." The other one is "Keep that shard in there because pain makes you stronger."

I, along with (hopefully) most other non-sadists fall into the first camp. Does this make more sense now?


All I got from that is that you might possibly have a shard of glass stuck in your foot. You should see to that. Could you maybe elaborate?

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#118 - 2014-11-16 05:56:48 UTC
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

Ok, fine, I'll bite. It's like I have a big shard of glass stuck in my foot. There are two schools of thought. The first goes something like "It really hurts to have this shard of glass in my foot, I think I'll pull it out." The other one is "Keep that shard in there because pain makes you stronger."

I, along with (hopefully) most other non-sadists fall into the first camp. Does this make more sense now?


All I got from that is that you might possibly have a shard of glass stuck in your foot. You should see to that. Could you maybe elaborate?

Please see my signature.

Bacon makes us stronger
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#119 - 2014-11-16 06:03:43 UTC
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

Ok, fine, I'll bite. It's like I have a big shard of glass stuck in my foot. There are two schools of thought. The first goes something like "It really hurts to have this shard of glass in my foot, I think I'll pull it out." The other one is "Keep that shard in there because pain makes you stronger."

I, along with (hopefully) most other non-sadists fall into the first camp. Does this make more sense now?


All I got from that is that you might possibly have a shard of glass stuck in your foot. You should see to that. Could you maybe elaborate?


Bad troll is bad.

Talos says no points for bad Thalmor trolls.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Kerono Thalmor
Band of Buggered
#120 - 2014-11-16 06:05:53 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
Kerono Thalmor wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
it was well-writtenish, but you're basically tinfoiling. just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you etc, there's no way to convince you of something when the reasons you use are imaginary relationships between people.

you're asking for someone to disprove an imagined scenario with hard facts, how is that equal.


Yes, my hat is made of tin foil. Look how shiny it is. Look at it.

But can you seriously tell me that someone hasn't at least suggested that? Am I really the only one who sees how this change could be abused in this way?

E: I didn't ask for hard facts, I asked for reason. Give me one good reason, just one, that it is absurd to think that the blocs have CCPs ear in that way. If you think about it, it seems plausible. Unless I'm horrifically mistaken, those jump changes really rained on their parade. Of course they'd want some other way to keep their power and the projection thereof. And they have seats in the CSM. I'm sure I don't have to explain what I see that could possibly happen there.

Ok, fine, I'll bite. It's like I have a big shard of glass stuck in my foot. There are two schools of thought. The first goes something like "It really hurts to have this shard of glass in my foot, I think I'll pull it out." The other one is "Keep that shard in there because pain makes you stronger."

I, along with (hopefully) most other non-sadists fall into the first camp. Does this make more sense now?


All I got from that is that you might possibly have a shard of glass stuck in your foot. You should see to that. Could you maybe elaborate?

Please see my signature.


... Okay, bacon is excellent, yes, I think we're all in agreement there but I still don't get what exactly you're trying to tell me... Forgive me if I'm a bit dense in that regard tonight, I've had a long day.

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