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orca trick nerf
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fred mcgee
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-12-15 07:35:31 UTC
did they really nerf the orca trick where you can change ships even when your are aggresed?
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-12-15 08:22:39 UTC
Thankfully, yes.
VKhaun Vex
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2011-12-15 09:52:03 UTC
Since it was a mining ship they said they never considered it a 'feature', only a 'bug'. Which makes sense, but some don't want to hear it.

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fred mcgee
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-12-15 12:51:42 UTC
Xdammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs.
Kahz Niverrah
Distinguished Johnsons
#5 - 2011-12-15 16:12:01 UTC
fred mcgee wrote:
Xdammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs.

Yes, I'm sure the last thing that goes through a pilot's head after getting hot dropped is "man, I sure wish I had an Orca!"

I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I post with my main.
Vile EnEon
Breast Augmentation Charity Society
#6 - 2011-12-15 17:21:11 UTC

  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed
  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot.


By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch.

The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion.

As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable.


  • The Orca Pilot can't scoop it back into SMA since the T3 is targeted by something.
  • The T3 pilot can't board it because he doesn't own the ship and it is targeted. (Orca pilot launched it so Orca pilot owns it)
  • The Orca pilot could board it if skilled, but then we have an empty Orca floating in space.
  • If the Orca Pilot is not skilled, then the T3 floats in space until a solution is figured out, or down time occurs.


At least now War Targets, Can Flippers, and Care Bears have a new layer of safety from the evil Orca of doom.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#7 - 2011-12-15 17:21:47 UTC
fred mcgee wrote:
Xdammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs.


Exactly how many ships are in these "blobs" that are countered by an unarmed industrial ship?

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#8 - 2011-12-15 17:27:16 UTC
Vile EnEon wrote:

  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed
  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot.


By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch.

The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion.

As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable.

Sounds like you shouldn't be swapping ships in front of NPCs and/or hostile players. Warp to a safe spot, kill the NPC, whatever.

Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Ulstan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-12-15 19:21:44 UTC
Vile EnEon wrote:

  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed
  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot.


By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch.

The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion.

As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable.


  • The Orca Pilot can't scoop it back into SMA since the T3 is targeted by something.
  • The T3 pilot can't board it because he doesn't own the ship and it is targeted. (Orca pilot launched it so Orca pilot owns it)
  • The Orca pilot could board it if skilled, but then we have an empty Orca floating in space.
  • If the Orca Pilot is not skilled, then the T3 floats in space until a solution is figured out, or down time occurs.


At least now War Targets, Can Flippers, and Care Bears have a new layer of safety from the evil Orca of doom.


CCP doesn't want you switching ships/fits in combat situations (very reasonably, IMO)

If you want a new ship/fitting, dock up and change it.

CCP wants you to commit to a fight with the ship/fitting you have.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#10 - 2011-12-15 19:58:52 UTC
Now you might have to learn how to actually PVP

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Vile EnEon
Breast Augmentation Charity Society
#11 - 2011-12-15 20:39:17 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch.


Nope, no tears here, just calling it like I see it. This latest nerf just slows down the process, we still have our ways. Twisted
Vile EnEon
Breast Augmentation Charity Society
#12 - 2011-12-15 20:40:03 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Now you might have to learn how to actually PVP


I thought the first rule of PvP was to pick your fights. Which is exactly what we do.

If people don't like the way we pick fights, that is simply their problem and not mine.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#13 - 2011-12-15 21:14:35 UTC
As long as you have fun fighting PVE fits and needing orca swaps to do it then more power to you I guess.

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#14 - 2011-12-15 22:27:26 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Vile EnEon wrote:

  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #1 = Can't board a ship from Orca's SMA if red boxed
  • Orca hi-sec Stealth Nerf #2 = Can't scoop a ship into Orca's SMA that is targeted by anyone including the Orca Pilot.


By stealth nerf I mean not listed in any patch notes, so enjoy your surprise and confusion after installing patch.

The first nerf was a PITA. The 2nd one is simply we-todd-did in my humble opinion.

As it is now, If I'm mining in high sec, and my Orca pilot jettisons a T3 for me to board, and some we-todd-did NPC / Player / Drone targets the empty T3 before I can board it, there it sits, floating in space un-piloted and vulnerable.

Sounds like you shouldn't be swapping ships in front of NPCs and/or hostile players. Warp to a safe spot, kill the NPC, whatever.

Also, providing tears from a member of TEARS is probably a bad idea. It just feeds the carebears who love this patch.



Yes, exactly, the Carebear wants Salvagers to be forced to warp to a safe spot in order to switch ships.

That gives the PVE target a free opportunity to blow you up AND good 30-40 seconds to align and dock up. FAIL.

Congratulations, you just provided the Carebear with 'risk free PVP' - and very little prospect of salvager success.

Luckily there are workarounds, but those workarounds do not work well when you live (geographically) a long way from the servers. Latency kills you - and the ship is often locked up before it even renders on your client, if the PVE target is the slightest bit clued in. Being required to 'eject' a ship is simply nonsense when its your Orca and the 'Board ship' function exists. At the very least, ships should not change ownership simply by residing in an Orca's cargo bay - preventing the 'empty ship locked, unscoopable, unboardable problem.

Personally, I think there should be no impediment to 'boarding' (and risking) a new combat ship - its the 'hiding" an aggressed ship, midcombat, in an Orca that seemed abusive.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#15 - 2011-12-16 00:10:31 UTC
Confirming flagging yourself for pvp in a weak ship is the carebears fault and they should be punished for it.

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fred mcgee
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-12-16 05:07:45 UTC
CCP please revert back to the old mechanics, i beg you please Sad

there is nothing wrong with it, please bring it back Sad
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#17 - 2011-12-16 06:14:42 UTC
Suddenly Ninjas is a synonym for someone fighting pve fits

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Smiling Menace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-12-16 06:41:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Smiling Menace
I think CCP should bring it back....BUT!...if the pilot that takes a ship from the SMA has aggro, the Orca gets it too for 'helping' someone in a PvP situation, just like neutral RR. Now all you need are probes for a free kill on the Orca. Should be very easy to find an Orca in space that isn't at a belt... Twisted
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#19 - 2011-12-17 06:41:17 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Confirming flagging yourself for pvp in a weak ship is the carebears fault and they should be punished for it.

Some first-hand PI tips
Azran Zala
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-12-17 14:14:57 UTC
Kahz Niverrah wrote:
fred mcgee wrote:
Xdammmit, why u do dis ccp. it was a way to counter blobs.

Yes, I'm sure the last thing that goes through a pilot's head after getting hot dropped is "man, I sure wish I had an Orca!"


I lol'ed in RL
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