EVE General Discussion

Clones and clone costs have always been a part of Eve. They make sense in the scope of the game. They aren't a problem for anyone to pay off, ever. Anyone who can fly a T3 can pay off medical clones. Why would the empires simply hand out clones for free just cause of feels?

First it was the removal of needed standings for certain game mechanics, now it's clone costs. If we don't halt this now, it'll be learning implants gone next, and then standings will probably go away altogether. Why is the original vision of Eve being torn apart? It was fine for 10 years.

Let's not allow this Rhea patch to go through. Post here to save our clones.

I agree. I don't really see why they have to further negatively impact the gameplay of Eve because people can't adapt.

Fun is all about a person's intrinsic motivators. It has nothing to do with game mechanics. It worries me that whatever complaints were voiced that are getting this removed are coming from the people that come into a game and complain about it instead of accept what is, when they'll be leaving in 2 months anyway because they already don't like the core of the game. The core of the game being exhibited by ancillary mechanics like clones, obviously.

Language is a funny thing. Calling it "anti-progressive" or "stagnant" implies a negative, despite reality being that sometimes things are the way they are for good reasons.



As an example of why this strawman of calling things "anti-progressive" is exacttly that, a strawman.

Most games have one death and it is meaningless. Eve has two deaths that are both full loot-loss deaths with the possibility for a third XP death if you're forgetful. It stupid. It adds nothing. Good riddance.

And no, I've never personally lost XP. I just know stupid when I see it.

just because its core game play doesn,t means its logical or intuitive or fun.

Cloning is a boring mechanic, and if they give me choices or something fun then good,

Hopefully this excellent and intelligent post is the end of these stupid threads.

OK, but let's look at the alternative. In EVE you have a number of slots to fill, and it's not always an incorrect choice to leave one empty. You might do so because a particular fit maxes out your CPU and power grid before you have filled all your slots, for example. Is such a fit optimal? Well, you have to figure that out.

A design that required every module slot to be filled would take away the meaningful choice of fitting in such a way that you can't fill that last slot. This might preclude an interesting, effective choice.

Clone grades aren't like that. There's no reason you would ever not upgrade a clone, other than being unable to spare the money.



Let's say it's subjective. The game designers have come to the conclusion that, subjectively, they want to get rid of clone grades.

Hope that helps clarify.

No its not, you have multiple choices for how you wish to fit your ship. Do you want to use beams? guns? missles? drones? do you want to mine? salvage? do you want to lead a fleet so add links? you you want to scout so add a cloak? see? thats choices. What you are sayign a combat ship is, is that you buy a ship its already fited and you go shoot stuff. Thats not what happens, your anaology is wrong. you can also chose to not go combat fit, or no fix it all. So see you have at least 10 different choices for how to fix a ship.



But again you are missing the point. Even in armor fits you have 10 choices. Do you want more armor or less? do you want to be resistant to em? thermal? kentic? all? none? do you want to buffer? o do you want to active repair? Do you have a friend to help you? or are you going solo? Or do you want to not worry about armor and try to hit harder and better? Or instead of armor do you want to go fast and hope you can move faster then you can be hit? See? again... choices.



You are running off the completely wrong premise. The point is you have zero choice in clone upgrades. none. So if they kill it and change it with say,, "you can pick one of these 10 clones, each give a bonus or some neat thing, or you can chose not to." This gives you options. Again you are looking at this all wrong

Then we need a new server for the old version of EVE updated with some reasonable streamlining of stuff that exists in the old/core version of EVE. That way CCP can please you by gutting EVE like they're doing already but even more, while pleasing people who enjoy the original. It's going to be a coke vs coke-zero debacle anyway. Let's get this over with.

I'm not saying you shouldn't have as much fun as you want, but I enjoyed EVE as it was. That game is going away. You're alternatively saying I shouldn't have as much fun as I want because you've decided certain mechanics should go.

Congratulations, this is officially the most moronic idea I've seen all day in GD.

Bad troll/10, no points for you.