Player Features and Ideas Discussion

when im mining i get 4 augorors on repping my miner all time.
so far its fine .


idea number 1

theres better option "anti-ganking"
rent pirate faction npcs to protect you but you get diminishing effect sush faction standing loss
there could be three options per three security systems

for nullsec you could hire 3 group types from 0.0 to -1.0
2 battleship 2 cruiser 4 frigates -25millions per hour 0.15 faction standing loss per hour
4 battleship 4 cruiser 6 frigates 50millions per hour 0.10 standing loss per hour
6 cruiser 6 frigate 12.5millions per hour 0.05 standing loss per hour

for lowsec you could hire 3 group types from 0.1 to 0.4
1 battleship 4 cruiser 3 frigate 20million per hour 0.03 standing loss per hour
5 cruiser 5 frigate 2 industrial 15 millions per hour 0.06 standing loss per hour
10 cruiser 2 frigates 40millions per hour 0.09 standing loss per hour

for highsec you could hire only local police ships only one group type from 0.5 to 1.0
2 frigate 2 cruiser 2 battleship 1 industrial 50millions per hour no standing loss but your weapon timer is active during it

all rented ships would be elite skilled and for specific ship type , specific function so
frigates - warp scramble + stasis web
cruisers ecm + neut
battleship i heavy dps platform
you could rent the police ships in high security status only when your faction standings are 8.0
renting pirate factions in low/null no need standings at all, but you take hits agaist all four factions during npc rental.

you could have limited control on the ships and be able to order them to
attack player if his security status is -10
guard target
follow in warp
attack hostile ship
jam hostile ship

rented police ships will stay only in high security status, pirate faction ships will not follow you to high security space.
maximum amount of rented police ships in system would be 150 . 1 player can rent only 1 group and when you rent an bill is issued and once you pay the bill you get party
you cannot shot your rented ships, they will return fire and destroy your ship
you cant rent ships in npc corp
you cant rent ships during wardec
you cant rent ships during faction warfare/militia
you can rent outfitted ships or ships that need be fitted. just right click and select configue fitting now place your modules, you could do t2 fits to make your guards even more powerful



idea number 2 .
allow exhumers to fit some sort of triage mode that will boost their shield regen rate, shield resists and shield capacity also timed immunity to electronic warfare (hic/dictor/bubble will still stop the exhumer) that will last 30 seconds after "triage" mode is gone off.


idea 3. give exhumers extra high slot and let them fit weapons (lasers,missiles) better tracking and targetting system to be able to react faster than instant explode the exhumers could get 200% to laser/missile damage 25% optimal range and 50% rate of fire increased


idea number 4. pilots in exhumers should get warning in system if there recently exhumers were killed so player could decide to go throught or find alternate way

Note: I said should be battleship sizes. Skiffs only if ice mining.



Use a fast ship. Make two warp off points either end of a mining belt.
Slow boat between them and drop cans.
Use a tractor beam or two on your hauler to collect the cans.

It doesn't. Gankers tend to use empty pods.


What does this have to do with suicide ganking?


Using a Skiff and tanking it provides the same affect. Without AI reliance in a player driven game.

ISEA #1: mine in high sec

IDEA#2: get friends

IDEA#3: get a skiff and t2 tank/drones

IDEA#4: TRy ur ideas in npc corp chat before the forums, those guys really know their mining

got ya now...and you could do that, but barges really dont need more tank. Using the cost of a ship for 'gankability' balancing is never going to work in a game where DPS is as high as it is. For example, a T2 fit catalyst is not only gankable by a couple frigs, its apparently even profitable. Its less likely to happen though as margin is lower and T2 cats dont just sit in the open like mining barges do.

And making barges bigger and tankier is also going to make them more expensive. So instead of saying '200mil paper bag' youd be saying '500mil paper bag. and it only takes 2mil x20 to blow it away instantly'

as they are now, barges and exhumers are not easy to gank. They've gone from a position where a single tornado could gank four barges at once to where you need several cats just to gank one rettie and a talos isnt even worth it. A hulk can tank three maybe four cats or a couple talos's. Its not a 'paper bag' at all.

TL:DR

barges are very tanky all things considered.
get away from cost=tank mentality

Stop mining in low. The ore is worth less than what you find in hisec. Go all the way and mine in null. I haven't tried WH mining myself, but I hear it's decent.





Your choice of mining ships tells me that you are not picking the right ship for an environment where people can shoot you. Either go cheap with a Venture, or tank with a Procurer or Skiff. No, the tank won't help you much since there is no CONCORD to eventually show up, but it's better than being almost depleted by rats when the gankers show up.




Your idea is no longer relevant in Rhea when pod costs are eliminated.





The gankers will hire their own NPC bodyguards. Since gankers may have SRP, their NPC bodyguards will be more beefed up than yours.


In this situation, they will kill your ship faster, and you're going to leave them more wrecks to loot.


You are also cutting into profits of what is a razor thin margin business. No miner in their right mind would want this kind of investment cost escalation on the most basic profession in EVE.


I would suggest you:

*) Develop a solution to address the most egregious abusers of multibox mining

*) Propose that all hisec ore be moved into low in order to justify your presence there. Your profit in such a case will be dismal, so this would need to be reworked as well.

Why would anyone wear a single hat in EVE?


Broaden your horizons.

where did i do that?

and no it doesnt, but it should to balance the extra power they get from their tank.

are you wanting the hulk to be heaviest tanker and biggest yield again? because that would undo one of the greatest changes to barges there ever was.

Do you get more damage but less tank when you go from a cruiser to a battleship?

There are two choices:

Procurer for more tank
or
Hulk for more yield.

Hulk you need enough ISK to risk not being blown up for 16 days to make the yield worth it over the Procurer. That is when it has paid off itself in the difference of yield.

The sacrifice for tank has already been paid for, many years running; with the lack of damage they do.

Speaking of which, I think strip miners should be able to strip out a random module from an enemy ship. This then clogs the strip mining unit and it needs to be repaired at a station, so it can only be done once per unit.

I think it would be hilarious if someone shows up in a fleet of miners and has all their modules stripped out of their ship!

Edit: .... and as for your analogy? What do miners work on? The scissors, scissors, scissors (everything that attacks) and paper (miners) design?