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[Rhea] Introducing the Bowhead

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Valterra Craven
#1261 - 2014-11-14 22:06:25 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


That's a rather bad article, Griefing is a bannable offence and is very much not what was described in that site.


Again all true. But given that the distinction between pirate and griefer can be rather grey and confusing to new players, there is a reason that Eve has the rep it does.
Dreiden Kisada
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1262 - 2014-11-14 23:14:10 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


That's a rather bad article, Griefing is a bannable offence and is very much not what was described in that site.


Again all true. But given that the distinction between pirate and griefer can be rather grey and confusing to new players, there is a reason that Eve has the rep it does.



Gotta say that you claiming to be on the side of Right on Eve's reputation is pretty laffo considering some things you've posted in the past.
Come2Light
Doomheim
#1263 - 2014-11-14 23:23:31 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:

This is very true, what a webbing frigate doesn't do is combat the reputation that Eve is infested by griefers...

This is very true, what a webbing frigate doesn't do is combat that Eve is infested by goons...

Fixed it for you. :)
Alexis Nightwish
#1264 - 2014-11-14 23:41:29 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Will probably give you guys updated numbers for HP and bonus change tomorrow, did want to address the jump fatigue generation thing which seems to be coming up a little bit at least.

Every 'hauler' in the game got this reduction because the fatigue change wasn't meant to hit logistics, this ship simply fits under that umbrella. It is not meant as any kind of special treatment or specific incentive to use it outside of high-sec. It's fine if that happens but I just wanted to point out that it's a role based bonus and that's all.
So given what you say here, can we safely assume that in the future this fatigue bonus will go away as is implied by Greyscale's statement:

CCP Greyscale wrote:
Hi everyone,

We've collected, parsed and thoroughly discussed your *extensive* feedback on the proposed long-distance travel changes, both in the official thread and elsewhere, consulted with the CSM, and made adjustments accordingly.

Conclusions we have reached through this exercise:
[list]
  • The ease of nullsec logistics permitted by jump freighters and, to a lesser extent, jump bridge networks is not aligned with where we would like nullsec industry to be.
    • [*]It *is*, however, pretty well aligned with where nullsec industry is right now. As we improve the status quo for industry in nullsec, we will want to reevaluate this balance, along with the impact potential changes would have on logistical work for other areas of the game.

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    EvilweaselFinance
    GoonCorp
    Goonswarm Federation
    #1265 - 2014-11-14 23:41:53 UTC
    Veers Belvar wrote:

    cloak in highs, 2 pith as and 2 lses and gist x mwd in mids, 2 1600 faction plates, 4 x type harderners and dcs in low.....it would be more with shield rigs...overheated 300k ehp

    holy moly is this ever a terrible fit

    has anyone clued him into why when ganking deadspaced out battleships the active tank doesn't matter one bit yet
    Querns
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #1266 - 2014-11-14 23:44:12 UTC
    Alexis Nightwish wrote:
    CCP Rise wrote:
    Will probably give you guys updated numbers for HP and bonus change tomorrow, did want to address the jump fatigue generation thing which seems to be coming up a little bit at least.

    Every 'hauler' in the game got this reduction because the fatigue change wasn't meant to hit logistics, this ship simply fits under that umbrella. It is not meant as any kind of special treatment or specific incentive to use it outside of high-sec. It's fine if that happens but I just wanted to point out that it's a role based bonus and that's all.
    So given what you say here, can we safely assume that in the future this fatigue bonus will go away as is implied by Greyscale's statement:

    CCP Greyscale wrote:
    Hi everyone,

    We've collected, parsed and thoroughly discussed your *extensive* feedback on the proposed long-distance travel changes, both in the official thread and elsewhere, consulted with the CSM, and made adjustments accordingly.

    Conclusions we have reached through this exercise:
    [list]
  • The ease of nullsec logistics permitted by jump freighters and, to a lesser extent, jump bridge networks is not aligned with where we would like nullsec industry to be.
  • It *is*, however, pretty well aligned with where nullsec industry is right now. As we improve the status quo for industry in nullsec, we will want to reevaluate this balance, along with the impact potential changes would have on logistical work for other areas of the game.
    • That statement was concerning Jump Freighters getting special-cased to be 10LY.

    This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
    EvilweaselFinance
    GoonCorp
    Goonswarm Federation
    #1267 - 2014-11-14 23:53:00 UTC
    Valterra Craven wrote:
    baltec1 wrote:


    That's a rather bad article, Griefing is a bannable offence and is very much not what was described in that site.


    Again all true. But given that the distinction between pirate and griefer can be rather grey and confusing to new players, there is a reason that Eve has the rep it does.

    yes, all those newbies flying freighters that are loaded with enough goods they're worth making a special effort to gank
    Valterra Craven
    #1268 - 2014-11-15 00:01:36 UTC
    Dreiden Kisada wrote:

    Gotta say that you claiming to be on the side of Right on Eve's reputation is pretty laffo considering some things you've posted in the past.


    Oh, I never claimed to be on the side of "Right".
    Valterra Craven
    #1269 - 2014-11-15 00:05:44 UTC
    EvilweaselFinance wrote:

    yes, all those newbies flying freighters that are loaded with enough goods they're worth making a special effort to gank


    Who said anything about newbies flying the freighters? I was implying that the newbie would be flying the webbing frigate and would be wondering why something like that would necessary for safety...
    EvilweaselFinance
    GoonCorp
    Goonswarm Federation
    #1270 - 2014-11-15 00:15:47 UTC
    Valterra Craven wrote:
    EvilweaselFinance wrote:

    yes, all those newbies flying freighters that are loaded with enough goods they're worth making a special effort to gank


    Who said anything about newbies flying the freighters? I was implying that the newbie would be flying the webbing frigate and would be wondering why something like that would necessary for safety...

    no highsec hauler would ever have a newbie on webbing duty

    either:
    1) they are not in-corp and not dueling and they're going to blow up repeatedly, leading to a newbie having to repeatedly buy and fit new ships which will be painstakingly long

    2) they are in-corp or dueling, and our idiot freighter pilot is trusting some random newbie with the ability to awox his entire cargo and the random newbie is probably a CODE alt and he's about five minutes away from destruction
    Mike Azariah
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #1271 - 2014-11-15 00:25:20 UTC
    Well fascinating as this is, I received what I asked for from Rise, a bit more tank.

    If there is something else specific you wish addressed in reference to the Bowhead feel free to send me an Evemail but I believe this thread has 'jumped the shark' and I will no longer follow and read every post in it.

    m

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    baltec1
    Bat Country
    Pandemic Horde
    #1272 - 2014-11-15 00:40:59 UTC
    EvilweaselFinance wrote:
    Veers Belvar wrote:

    cloak in highs, 2 pith as and 2 lses and gist x mwd in mids, 2 1600 faction plates, 4 x type harderners and dcs in low.....it would be more with shield rigs...overheated 300k ehp

    holy moly is this ever a terrible fit

    has anyone clued him into why when ganking deadspaced out battleships the active tank doesn't matter one bit yet


    It seems he abandoned this line of argument when it was shown that travel fit machs pulling the cloak/mwd trick do, infact, get caught and blown up.
    El 1974
    Green Visstick High
    #1273 - 2014-11-15 00:54:32 UTC
    So a relatively small group of players that is making tons of isk is complaining about something and you respond by designing a ship to make life even easier for them. Shocked
    This will only make it harder for the little guy to get into running incursions. The ordinary guy doesn't need a super-tanky hisec ship hauler. Keep it simple and affordable please. Don't cater for the guys that really don't need any help. If they don't like moving their ships they can afford to make courier contracts to have it done for them.
    Esceem
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #1274 - 2014-11-15 01:32:43 UTC
    Nice.

    Four racial variants would be great , though - instead of only one ORE ship :-)
    ergherhdfgh
    Imperial Academy
    Amarr Empire
    #1275 - 2014-11-15 01:46:56 UTC
    since this is the exact idea that I posted on the forums I feel I need to say I support it's being introduced into the game.

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    Arthur Aihaken
    CODE.d
    #1276 - 2014-11-15 02:01:50 UTC
    Sir Gankal0t wrote:
    Here is a better one

    Yes it is, thanks for the update. Being an ORE ship, I hope the final colour scheme resembles that of the Orca and Rorqual. And they might as well release an ORE Development skin for it right off the bat as well.

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    Dreiden Kisada
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #1277 - 2014-11-15 04:11:56 UTC
    Valterra Craven wrote:
    Dreiden Kisada wrote:

    Gotta say that you claiming to be on the side of Right on Eve's reputation is pretty laffo considering some things you've posted in the past.


    Oh, I never claimed to be on the side of "Right".


    You did not literally type those words, no. But you did say that Eve has a "bad reputation". And you are suggesting things to fix this "bad reputation".

    The opposite of Bad, is Good. Or Right.
    Valterra Craven
    #1278 - 2014-11-15 07:26:58 UTC
    Dreiden Kisada wrote:


    You did not literally type those words, no. But you did say that Eve has a "bad reputation". And you are suggesting things to fix this "bad reputation".

    The opposite of Bad, is Good. Or Right.


    Lol, If you think that my suggestion that criminals that gank permanently in high sec should have blinky status permanently is going to fix more than a decade of Eve having a bad rep... well I'm not sure there's anything I could say that would make sense to you. My suggestions were merely to address an imbalance in the games mechanics. Nothing more, nothing less.
    Dreiden Kisada
    State War Academy
    Caldari State
    #1279 - 2014-11-15 07:48:12 UTC
    Valterra Craven wrote:
    Dreiden Kisada wrote:


    You did not literally type those words, no. But you did say that Eve has a "bad reputation". And you are suggesting things to fix this "bad reputation".

    The opposite of Bad, is Good. Or Right.


    Lol, If you think that my suggestion that criminals that gank permanently in high sec should have blinky status permanently is going to fix more than a decade of Eve having a bad rep... well I'm not sure there's anything I could say that would make sense to you. My suggestions were merely to address an imbalance in the games mechanics. Nothing more, nothing less.



    Sure thing, Bill "I'm only asking questions" O'Reily.

    And I believe you mean a perceived imbalance of game mechanics.
    Dwissi
    Miners Delight Reborn
    #1280 - 2014-11-15 10:51:37 UTC
    Let see:

    Page 65 by now - last on topic arguments back some 20 pages - check
    'Elegant' trolling by playing the words - check
    Thread hooking for personal discussions - check

    BINGO! Hat off for managing this before page 100.

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