Wormholes

Frig hole is a bad idea, very bad, its not fun, its not strategic, its just a hole what u cant collapse>>> annoyin thing. Annoying thing is not good for a video game.
Thera was a good idea, but one good idea X 100 times= very bad idea.

Why CCP think that w-space needs more frigsized brawls-have no idea, but as a pilot with more than 100m sp im not so comfortable with this "pushing" me inside frigsize stuff

CCP are giving attention, and content to wormhole space, we do not know what is planned for inside the new frigate holes and the new shattered holes, but some have already decided, that whatever goes in there it is not good enough, and CCP are BAD.

You know? this is why we can never have anything nice.

We spend a lot of time looking for content, and then some complain when things are done to bring content in from Kspace.

Is the only thing to do to drop on null when we are bored? Well now we have the opportunity to explore for new content in WH space.

People that want to PVE now have a reason to leave the POS and get into space, Can some not realise that this is a good thing?

As for the Frigate holes having the effects they do, anything else would make it a real problem for those who cannot commit to a multiple of doctrines, Like the people from K Space coming in ones or two's to explore and shoot the sleepers. they make it interesting too.

Wormhole space has two possible ways it can go, it can be a few groups left chasing each other round, as there is nothing else to do, and nothing left to hunt, spending most of the day in Nullsec apart from weekly farming to pay for stuff. or rebuild it from the bottom, with worthwhile PVE, by bringing fresh people in, By making things fresh and interesting.

Sort out the food chain and there is something for the predators too.

So my View? Damn good Job CCP, Well done.

I Look forward to seeing where you take it.

OMG, people migght have to commit to multiple doctrines? Puhleeze.

This is the wormhole forum, so you are all allergic to frigates and don't have a clue anyway, so let me break this down for you.

C6 W-R makes frig combat a blap-a-thon. Especially now they swapped the resist bonus (allowing mad RR from even inquisitors) to a buffer bonus. So, take your bog standard Enyo with 325 DPS cold, 8.8K EHP, and C6 W-R it. now it is 873 DPS cold and 14.6K EHP.

So it takes less than 20 seconds for an Enyo to kill an Enyo. Let alone a 2400 DPS Catalyst (4 seconds, or two volleys), or sniping Cormy fleet 1430 alpha, blap blap. Kiting Talwars get 584 DPS cold, to 47.5km.

Onyx, yeah, 1534 DPS without CN BCS's is doable, and 50K EHP in shield. But that's hardly "king of all shattered wormholes" territory given the above. Or you can armour tank it for 928 DPS and 109K EHP with twin webs, twin TP's. You'd be dropping 450M in ship into a fight against, potentially, kity Talwars. Enough Talwars and one maulus or Keres and you'd be cactus.

But the majority of dessie fights - pointless. They are too sig bloated, impossible to tank, and have no real offensive merit above AF's. Faction frigs could be good fun, but all you need is one gank Catalyst to get ahold of you, or a kiting Talwar, and you've shot 120M+ up the clacker.

I think that making all the small ships only wormholes C6 W-R is a joke, because it is lazy. incredibly lazy, and doesn't result in much more than two doctrines - kite or brawl.

Why not make them all C6 effect wormholes. C6 BH in frigs would be interesting. C6 Cataclysmic, also interesting in frigs, with stupid logi and the need to bring neuts or EWAR. C6 Pulsar with frigs, again, neuts and EWAR. C6 Magnetar - even more glass cannons, sniper Cormorants ahoy. C6 Red Giant, hello special Devoter fit I made up.

making them all C6 W-R is too limiting.



I have 132M SP and we roll Enyos everywhere these days. If you can't afford 21M for a clone, you are doing it wrong.

Plus, even better, CCP is going to get rid of the bittervet tax, and stop SP loss on podding and stop upgrade clone fees altogether. Because of this exact problem. hallelujah!

Please drop from corp and fly solo or small gang for a while.

Whelp a few ships and then you understand.

i'll bet you ANY amount of money that 6 people (which it the amount of people you listed) can make a metric sh!t ton more isk in a normal system running sites if isk is what you're after.

http://imgur.com/cAGeuI8 found one.

rly? u think the question is about 21m fees? oh dude, u surprised me with this logic level. Im glad that u can clean c4 with enyo and t2 logis, thats rly an achievement, but my point was that i prefer capital fights, with dreads and carriers, supports etc.
At some point loosing smth small wont make u feel anything, there is no adrenaline anymore, or just a bit, but when u loose huge blinged Vertical, u remember this day, u remember this feelings, u have something to tell to your kids^^ u should try it once to understand.
And 2nd: logically, for CCP, for economy, its better when ppl blap more expensive ships, one good cap fight=150 gfs at frigsize.
tl;dr
While for some ppl its fun to brawl at cheap t1 frigs, or enyos, there should be smth else, for ppl who like blapping big stuff.

Getting into a fight with SSC --> Priceless

Loosing some caps in a great brawl, because these guys are good --> Priceless

Finding out that i forgot to upgrade the clone and just lost Tactical Weapon Configuration V --> --> -->

Now this is BS unless I see the numbers.

This is a very common point of view, one expressed by a few of my guys as well. However, adrenaline gets going just as easily for me at least when we drop 4 frigates in the middle of 3 Drakes, a Tengu and a Raven. Each to their own.