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[Rhea] Introducing the Bowhead

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Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1121 - 2014-11-14 18:22:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.

I'd be interested in reading more about this, got any links?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1122 - 2014-11-14 18:22:48 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.



And how does that differ from events like hulkageddon?


They caused more damage with less than a dozen pilots
Valterra Craven
#1123 - 2014-11-14 18:25:55 UTC
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.

I'd be interested in reading more about this, got any links?


I found this for you:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/M0o_corp_(Player_corporation)
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1124 - 2014-11-14 18:26:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

i prefer to always be honest, with myself at least. as for being ganked, you should ask people who actually run incursions. so far, they seem to be quite fine despite the permanent scanning (and so are my mission alts).


So why is it that you are in a fit about a ship with near three times the tank of your battleship? If you only have a single mach and you stick it in your bowhead with a basic t2 tank with t1 rigs it will cost the gankers a lot more to gank you than they could possibly earn. With a max tanked bowhead with logi support they would require more firepower than is needed to alpha a neuted chimera. That simply does not exist in high sec.


Because its a freighter without a cloak + mwd...and it's slow enough to be trapped by bumping. That makes it vastly easier to gank than a mach.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#1125 - 2014-11-14 18:26:08 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

i prefer to always be honest, with myself at least. as for being ganked, you should ask people who actually run incursions. so far, they seem to be quite fine despite the permanent scanning (and so are my mission alts).


So why is it that you are in a fit about a ship with near three times the tank of your battleship? If you only have a single mach and you stick it in your bowhead with a basic t2 tank with t1 rigs it will cost the gankers a lot more to gank you than they could possibly earn. With a max tanked bowhead with logi support they would require more firepower than is needed to alpha a neuted chimera. That simply does not exist in high sec.




that mach with logi support would last a long time along also as it has enough mids to fit lots of resists and prop mod.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1126 - 2014-11-14 18:26:22 UTC
Anonymous Forumposter wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.

I'd be interested in reading more about this, got any links?


This happened before much of what we have now. No KMs, few external sites and a smattering of info on the eve wiki.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1127 - 2014-11-14 18:27:18 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:

i prefer to always be honest, with myself at least. as for being ganked, you should ask people who actually run incursions. so far, they seem to be quite fine despite the permanent scanning (and so are my mission alts).


So why is it that you are in a fit about a ship with near three times the tank of your battleship? If you only have a single mach and you stick it in your bowhead with a basic t2 tank with t1 rigs it will cost the gankers a lot more to gank you than they could possibly earn. With a max tanked bowhead with logi support they would require more firepower than is needed to alpha a neuted chimera. That simply does not exist in high sec.




that mach with logi support would last a long time along also as it has enough mids to fit lots of resists and prop mod.


Alpha it with tornados.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1128 - 2014-11-14 18:28:33 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Because its a freighter without a cloak + mwd...and it's slow enough to be trapped by bumping. That makes it vastly easier to gank than a mach.


Mach can be alpha'ed rather easily. The same cannot be said for a well tanked bowhead.
Valterra Craven
#1129 - 2014-11-14 18:29:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.



And how does that differ from events like hulkageddon?


They caused more damage with less than a dozen pilots


In low sec. Undefended, and un-patrolled space. Just because a majority of lonetrek exists as a high sec region does not mean it all is. I can find no data to support your claims that this happened in hi sec and therefore unless you have something else then I fail to see how they are relevant.
Valterra Craven
#1130 - 2014-11-14 18:31:02 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


This happened before much of what we have now. No KMs, few external sites and a smattering of info on the eve wiki.



So what you are saying is that you are too lazy to validate the claims you make? I only had vague inklings of memories of mOo, but I still managed to find some information on them instead of waving my hand and saying it couldn't be done.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1131 - 2014-11-14 18:33:38 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


M0o killed thousands of ships in choke systems over the span of a few days in high sec to the point where CCP had to step in and teleported their fleet to the far corners of null sec.



And how does that differ from events like hulkageddon?


They caused more damage with less than a dozen pilots


In low sec. Undefended, and un-patrolled space. Just because a majority of lonetrek exists as a high sec region does not mean it all is. I can find no data to support your claims that this happened in hi sec and therefore unless you have something else then I fail to see how they are relevant.


You could tank concord back then.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1132 - 2014-11-14 18:34:41 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


This happened before much of what we have now. No KMs, few external sites and a smattering of info on the eve wiki.



So what you are saying is that you are too lazy to validate the claims you make? I only had vague inklings of memories of mOo, but I still managed to find some information on them instead of waving my hand and saying it couldn't be done.


M0o is the single most influential corp to have ever existed in EVE. I shouldn't have to go hunting around for you.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1133 - 2014-11-14 18:38:54 UTC
Querns wrote:
The disconnect here is that the calls for seven digit EHP and other forms of invincibility assume a position where attempting to evade or out-think the gankers in question is never broached. In a pure PvP game such as Eve: Online, you must keep death in mind at all times. There is no safety. You are prey at all times until you choose to become a predator, and even then you're only not prey if you are at the top of your game.


With this ship, you can't evade anything.

While you can do that with an orca by using mwd+cloak or, drop some ecm drones and get a lucky break and warp away from the tackler (if they have one only) with bowhead you can't do anything at all. Just hope and prey they do a mistake and concord arrives while you are still alive.
Valterra Craven
#1134 - 2014-11-14 18:39:14 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


This happened before much of what we have now. No KMs, few external sites and a smattering of info on the eve wiki.



So what you are saying is that you are too lazy to validate the claims you make? I only had vague inklings of memories of mOo, but I still managed to find some information on them instead of waving my hand and saying it couldn't be done.


M0o is the single most influential corp to have ever existed in EVE. I shouldn't have to go hunting around for you.


Oh I'm not saying that you should. I'm just saying I didn't try to pass it off as an impossible task to someone else, nor did I try to make claims that I hadn't looked into myself. I merely validated your claims as false for myself. Though I'm not sure I'd agree that they are the single most influential corp, given the likes of your alliance and founding. I'd easily put money down on goonswarm as being the most influential and I'm saying that as a former BoB member! Whether or not that thats a good thing, *shrug* don't really care either way.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1135 - 2014-11-14 18:40:22 UTC
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Valterra Craven wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


This happened before much of what we have now. No KMs, few external sites and a smattering of info on the eve wiki.



So what you are saying is that you are too lazy to validate the claims you make? I only had vague inklings of memories of mOo, but I still managed to find some information on them instead of waving my hand and saying it couldn't be done.


M0o is the single most influential corp to have ever existed in EVE. I shouldn't have to go hunting around for you.


Oh I'm not saying that you should. I'm just saying I didn't try to pass it off as an impossible task to someone else, nor did I try to make claims that I hadn't looked into myself. I merely validated your claims as false for myself. Though I'm not sure I'd agree that they are the single most influential corp, given the likes of your alliance and founding. I'd easily put money down on goonswarm as being the most influential and I'm saying that as a former BoB member! Whether or not that thats a good thing, *shrug* don't really care either way.


We didn't change the way concord works.
Valterra Craven
#1136 - 2014-11-14 18:41:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


You could tank concord back then.


And your point would be what? You still haven't addressed the core of the argument, mainly that you have no evidence to back up the statement that all of the changes that have occurred over the years have curbed ganking in any meaningful way.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#1137 - 2014-11-14 18:42:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Because its a freighter without a cloak + mwd...and it's slow enough to be trapped by bumping. That makes it vastly easier to gank than a mach.


Mach can be alpha'ed rather easily. The same cannot be said for a well tanked bowhead.


You are never locking it up because of cloak + mwd...not to mention that travel fit is close to 300k ehp and basically never gets suicide ganked.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1138 - 2014-11-14 18:42:57 UTC
S'No Flake wrote:
Querns wrote:
The disconnect here is that the calls for seven digit EHP and other forms of invincibility assume a position where attempting to evade or out-think the gankers in question is never broached. In a pure PvP game such as Eve: Online, you must keep death in mind at all times. There is no safety. You are prey at all times until you choose to become a predator, and even then you're only not prey if you are at the top of your game.


With this ship, you can't evade anything.

While you can do that with an orca by using mwd+cloak or, drop some ecm drones and get a lucky break and warp away from the tackler (if they have one only) with bowhead you can't do anything at all. Just hope and prey they do a mistake and concord arrives while you are still alive.


No ship can evade everything. The cloak mwd trick doesn't work on an orca vs anyone competent and ECM drones also wont work with the tactics used in high sec gate camps.
S'No Flake
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1139 - 2014-11-14 18:44:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Incursion ships die too. Freighters die. Sure titans die - but extremely rarely, and almost always due to gross stupidity. With triage carrier support, they virtually NEVER die. And that's fine. The game doesn't require every ship to be at significant risk of dying whenever it flies. So if Goonswarm titans can mosey around Deklein and NEVER die...that's fine for the game. Same thing if Bowheads would be able to mosey around highsec and NEVER die, the game would be perfectly fine. In no way does Eve require ships to constantly be at risk.


We lost one in Dek the other week.


Compared with how many freighters you killed in HS?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1140 - 2014-11-14 18:46:21 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Because its a freighter without a cloak + mwd...and it's slow enough to be trapped by bumping. That makes it vastly easier to gank than a mach.


Mach can be alpha'ed rather easily. The same cannot be said for a well tanked bowhead.


You are never locking it up because of cloak + mwd...not to mention that travel fit is close to 300k ehp and basically never gets suicide ganked.


Feel free to post this fit.