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So who will be moving to THERA? (Jita without Concord)

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Waltaratzor
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec
#141 - 2014-11-14 00:43:36 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.


On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub.
Nightingale Actault
Borderland Dynamics
#142 - 2014-11-14 01:00:07 UTC
Waltaratzor wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.


On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub.


I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done.
Paynus Maiassus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#143 - 2014-11-14 01:16:53 UTC
Thera looks like a cool place. It won't work as a hub. The only hubs in PvP space that work are those used by major territory holding alliances where access to them can be controlled. Bubbles or no bubbles, anywhere that can be gotten to by anybody will fail as a trade hub. Thera will be taken over by a group. If that group runs some kind of police operation like an altered version of NRDS where they punish all aggressors, a diverse Mos Eisley culture will develop. But if the group that gains control of Thera ends up shooting anyone that isn't them, it will be used as a raid center.

Most likely the Goons will take it over and use its random connections to raid far off lands.
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#144 - 2014-11-14 01:18:31 UTC
Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere.

Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream! Cool

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2014-11-14 01:40:00 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere.

Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream! Cool


No anchorable bubbles are allowed. Hictor and dictor bubbles are still allowed, but depending on the geometry of the stations it's probably not going to be hard to avoid them.
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#146 - 2014-11-14 09:24:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Cypher Decypher
Bullet Therapist wrote:
Xen Solarus wrote:
Wait, are bubbles allowed? If so, I can see some dedicated groups looking to take complete control, regardless of the size of the system. Specifically Null sec groups, I can imagine them seeing a massive advantage in owning a system that connects to pretty much everywhere.

Assuming bubbles are not allowed, I'm extremely excited at the idea of Thera. I might even move there and live the dream! Cool


No anchorable bubbles are allowed. Hictor and dictor bubbles are still allowed, but depending on the geometry of the stations it's probably not going to be hard to avoid them.



I played on SISI last night and mosied around Thera for a few hours. There are 4 SoE stations, two of which are barely 350km apart. It will be pretty simple to strangle traffic to any of them with a group of hictors, particularly undocking, which makes the place unattractive to industrialists trying to push freighters (which are allowed) through.

Basically, Thera will be ripe for a large corp/alliance takeover unless CCP further alter the mechanics.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#147 - 2014-11-14 09:36:47 UTC
You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#148 - 2014-11-14 09:49:44 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming.

Yep sure. I'll go take a look and spend some time there if there is a well stocked market.

Should be a good place to shoot and be shot at.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#149 - 2014-11-14 09:53:57 UTC
I think a lot of people forget how WHs work. You can only put so much mass through a hole as well. You won't be able to just fly through a 100+ battleship fleet. Forget about that. You'll also close the hole behind you, so getting back to your K-space staging system might be a bit of a pain.

It'll be interesting for sure, but I think a lot of people just aren't really familiar with WH mechanics and are being wildly ... imaginative.
Leannor
State War Academy
Caldari State
#150 - 2014-11-14 10:55:48 UTC
Nightingale Actault wrote:

I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done.


just because it can, don't mean it will.
It's all effort versus reward, and volume. BR's are tiny by comparison and markets can be hungry. Chances are, unless you're allied with the controlling forces, then you will not be able to keep up, and the allied suppliers will be high enough in volume to keep prices low enough so as to not make it worth anyon'es while spending time and effort on a high risk venture (whene there's better and easier rewards elsewhere).

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STOP TOUCHING ICONIC SHIP PARTS"
Moraguth
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#151 - 2014-11-14 11:01:37 UTC
I approve of this thinly veiled attempt to promote your youtube channel. well played.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#152 - 2014-11-14 12:07:54 UTC
I think there need to be more stations if there are bubbles. Four will just be camped.

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Dave Stark
#153 - 2014-11-14 12:35:21 UTC
Aivo Dresden wrote:
You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming.


wormholes are one of the only places i've never lived...

but if thera has a bunch of high sec statics surely finding a way in to thera is literally as easy as logging on to a character inside thera, scanning a wormhole that connects to kspace... and well, yeah that's it. there's your kspace entrance to thera.
Dornlin Labiani
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#154 - 2014-11-14 12:46:03 UTC
Nightingale Actault wrote:
Waltaratzor wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?

Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it.
How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone?

A couple of reasons:

1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out.

2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden.


On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub.


I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done.


I agree with you. Could be done. Probably won't be based on the description of the system as it stands.

Looks like a free for all zone, though I suppose you could bring in compressed ore and blueprint copies to make ships for profit. But it's going to be very dangerous.

Risking 125m in ship, plus fitting, is not really a problem. Losing the cargo is. Any medium or small operations will avoid this. Once again it's big-boy-land. Not a negative. But it's not a place that my people would go.
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc
#155 - 2014-11-14 17:41:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Liz Laser
I'm going to agree with the people who said Freeport and ThunderDome.

I got to experience the FreePort and ThunderDome experiments in the Delve/Querious area about 2 years ago, so I'll definitely poke my head in with an alt and see what Thera turns into.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#156 - 2014-11-14 20:27:14 UTC
I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.

Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there.

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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#157 - 2014-11-14 20:42:32 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.

Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there.


Noted for future war targets... thanks. \o/!
Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
#158 - 2014-11-14 21:08:31 UTC
I can't see this working as intended. Static wormholes are just gates, minus aggression countdown and guns. Thera is no different than Rancer or Amamake with a few more gates. In fact, with bubbles, it's even WORSE.

Normally I'd put an alt there and run a few blueprints in just in case it's profitable, but seeing as I'm down to one account that's not happening either.

Might be a fun place for people to generate KMs and a shortcut for w-space dwellers to highsec. I can't see it being a freeport system, there's just nothing to encourage that.
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#159 - 2014-11-14 21:11:47 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Winter Archipelago wrote:
I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.

Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there.


Noted for future war targets... thanks. \o/!

Thera is in W-Space. W-Space is 0.0. If you're wasting 50m on a wardec, well... you're wasting 50m on a wardec.

Toria Nynys wrote:
In fact, with bubbles, it's even WORSE.




No anchorable bubbles, according to CCP.

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Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
#160 - 2014-11-14 21:29:01 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
[quote=Aurelius Valentius]

No anchorable bubbles, according to CCP.


Ceptor/dictor bubbles are good enough to pull people out of warp. Not as low maintenace, but still ++danger.

Complete theorycraft until it goes live + a few weeks. I fully expect to join massive blobs destined for or passing through Thera for purposes of raiding. Trading and manufacturing there? Not so much. Even though I have perfect Sissies standings.