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Dev blog: Thera and the Shattered Wormholes

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Dalron
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#201 - 2014-11-14 09:28:17 UTC
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.
Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#202 - 2014-11-14 09:41:03 UTC
Dalron wrote:
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.


yep
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#203 - 2014-11-14 09:57:02 UTC
Fred Kyong wrote:
Dalron wrote:
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.


yep

Nonsense, they are significantly less bad. You'd need an army of active players to lock down anything because the bubbles are only there as long as a player is there. And they'd be vulnerable; a lone DIC or even HIC can easily be killed while his friends are still warping the 200 AU to get to him.

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Dalron
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#204 - 2014-11-14 10:09:31 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Fred Kyong wrote:
Dalron wrote:
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.


yep

Nonsense, they are significantly less bad. You'd need an army of active players to lock down anything because the bubbles are only there as long as a player is there. And they'd be vulnerable; a lone DIC or even HIC can easily be killed while his friends are still warping the 200 AU to get to him.


For a PVP encounter yes if your in a PVP ship. But as CCP puts it :

industrialists serving the local market, explorers intent on puzzling out the secrets of the system’s history, adventurers looking to make a quick buck under their hunter’s noses

Then those guys are out of luck when they undock into a dictor bubble.
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#205 - 2014-11-14 10:24:36 UTC
They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr.

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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#206 - 2014-11-14 10:25:17 UTC
Quote:
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.

Please excuse my ignorance, but do HIC bubbles have the same drag/stop mechanic as Mobile Warp Disruptors?

Undocking from station in Thera in something bigger than a frigate (with very short align time), will probably get you killed, unless you have an insta-undock. And if there a some HICs in line of the insta-undock, that will drag you out of warp... well, you are pretty much screwed, i guess...

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Dalron
0.0 Massive Dynamic
Pandemic Horde
#207 - 2014-11-14 10:34:55 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr.


But CCP want to make this 'the place to be' fun and exciting. If you want a crummy system playing undock games just trying to get out to do stuff you can already go to NPC Nullsec. If it becomes the place you cant undock because it's always camped then people just wont go.



Wander Prian
Nosferatu Security Foundation
#208 - 2014-11-14 10:35:42 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
HIC / DIC bubbles are allowed which are just as bad.

Please excuse my ignorance, but do HIC bubbles have the same drag/stop mechanic as Mobile Warp Disruptors?

Undocking from station in Thera in something bigger than a frigate (with very short align time), will probably get you killed, unless you have an insta-undock. And if there a some HICs in line of the insta-undock, that will drag you out of warp... well, you are pretty much screwed, i guess...



Yes, the HIC and DIC bubbles will have the drag/catch -mechanic too

Wormholer for life.
Luscius Uta
#209 - 2014-11-14 10:49:00 UTC
Quote:
They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden.


In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.
X4me1eoH
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#210 - 2014-11-14 10:49:24 UTC
thera is nice, but too few stations, need at least 20 or more, and i think the system must be greater than this, at least 500-1000au radius

Гайды по еве: https://www.youtube.com/user/X4me1eoH/feed?&ab_channel=X4me1eoH
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#211 - 2014-11-14 11:08:45 UTC
Dalron wrote:
Terrorfrodo wrote:
They can safely re-dock and try again later. It is a nullsec system, you are not supposed to be able to undock in peace at any time without having combat backup in a nullsec system. If you want a hisec hub, just stay in Jita or Amarr.


But CCP want to make this 'the place to be' fun and exciting. If you want a crummy system playing undock games just trying to get out to do stuff you can already go to NPC Nullsec. If it becomes the place you cant undock because it's always camped then people just wont go.




Thera to me sounds like more or less npc nullsec without local and cynos. What's wrong with that?

It might even be an experiment to see how normal nullsec would work without local.

I don't believe station camping will be a big thing, because a camper without local cannot know what will jump on him once he triggers his weapons timer. Camping will be much more risky than being camped, because the camper cannot dock.

The bigger problem I see is that any serious engagement anywhere in Thera might just escalate into a game of luck because nobody knows how many other parties will join and crash the party.

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#212 - 2014-11-14 11:20:10 UTC
Luscius Uta wrote:
Quote:
They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered. The reasons for this phenomena are heavily tied into the ongoing and upcoming events within New Eden.


In other words, expect PI to be removed from W-space at one point, because WH community hasn't been kicked in the nuts enough lately.


Kicked in the nuts?

- radically buffed income
- bookmarks in space
- compass
- easier bm copying and management
- persistent signatures
- more connections
- T3 subs swappable in POS
- null data/relic sites

I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it.
Jade Blackwind
#213 - 2014-11-14 11:43:50 UTC
Even if Thera will be camped to hell and back and the only reason to go there will be to die in a fire, it's still new content, so it's better than nothing.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#214 - 2014-11-14 12:19:27 UTC
One concern:

The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly.

The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already)

Quote:
They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts.


Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals.
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#215 - 2014-11-14 12:26:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Africa
Ghelisis Achasse wrote:
I think I know where they are going with this, storylinewise. Lets look at this. "The Sanctuary" is the "center of the science research the Sisters are undertaking on the EVE gate." In the storyline, the Sisters have been studying the Gate in the New Eden system for a while now.


So, what is Thera? Thera is HUGE storylinewise, because it is simply THE SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EVE GATE, and the Shattered systems are systems that are close to Thera physically, showcasing the extreme power of the Eve Gate megahole explosion. The Sisters found Thera accidentally on one of their trips through a random wormhole, and built stations there to study the anomaly from the OTHER side. This will be HUGE, and if it is true, more fuel to the fire that W-space is ACTUALLY the Milky Way galaxy post Eve Gate explosion.

amirite Devs? :D


This has been coming for a long time , I would like to think that the thread below was the seeds of Thera back in 2011 ..i give you https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=29191
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#216 - 2014-11-14 12:46:11 UTC
On the one hand the whole Thera thing sounds very intriguing to me.

On the other hand I cannot really think of many reasons to be there except hope for fights/kills. And if everyone is just there for the fights and kills, there will not be many of them. It'll be like a thousand bored lions and no antelopes.

Thera seems to lack proper conflict drivers. Doing anoms? Suicide in such a system, and can be done much better in one of the normal wspace systems. Mining? Not gonna happen. POS? Not there. PI/POCOs? Not there. Now bashing POSes or POCOs is not exactly great content, but *nothing* doesn't seem to be a great replacement for it.

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Snape Dieboldmotor
Minotaur Congress
#217 - 2014-11-14 13:32:42 UTC
Only 342AU? Bigger!
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#218 - 2014-11-14 14:04:14 UTC
itt people unironically asking for wormholes to be highsec
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#219 - 2014-11-14 14:20:26 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
One concern:

The Standard Shattered Wormhole Systems - If these contain mineable ice fields, but there are no moons, then there is no way to anchor a POS to use a Compression Array. This means the only way to compress would be to bring in a Rorqual, which would have to activate the Industrial Core for 5 minutes in order to compress, without any kind of protection. The risk/reward here seems very off, and having to move uncompressed ice through a wormhole would chew up the mass much too quickly.

The Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems - if they have all of the features of the Standard Shattered wormholes, but restricted connections to Frigates/Destroyers (I assume by mass) then how would a Mining Barge or Exhumer get inside to mine ice and bring it out? You can't mine ice with a Venture or Prospect. (Others have commented on this already)

Quote:
They will contain a new celestial debris field asteroid belt anomaly that will be larger and richer than most belts.


Please let this be ring mining for moon minerals.




or jump back to your hole everytime your ore bay is full.
Luscius Uta
#220 - 2014-11-14 14:23:25 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:


Kicked in the nuts?

- radically buffed income
- bookmarks in space
- compass
- easier bm copying and management
- persistent signatures
- more connections
- T3 subs swappable in POS
- null data/relic sites

I've been living in wormholes for three years, and we've never had it so good before. And now you whine about CCP giving us even more new stuff, I can't believe it.


Most of the stuff you mentioned are general quality of life improvements that were not aimed at wormholes in particular. Meanwhile you conveniently forgot to mention things such as:

-ore sites being findable with onboard scanner
-mass-based spawned distances
-buff to sleeper RR

Of course, I also almost conveniently ignored the recent price increase for blue loot, because even CCP Fozzie sometimes realize s that he made mistakes and has to fix them.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.