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Adding 100 new systems to WH space is like adding 100 new systems to deep null where you can fly through 20 straight systems and see like 1 person. I'm looking at 15 systems in our chain right now and all of them have either abandoned/anchored towers, online towers with there owners logged off or straight empty systems.

Remove 101 current empty WH systems and then add these new ones. Or just convert the current 101 systems to the new ones.

We don't need more systems, we need less, better systems.

I want to look at my 15 system chain and have to decide on which target to go after. I don't want to have to look at my 15 system chain and decide if I want to roll it or go watch tv

You keep saying "we" like you think you represent all of w-space. Here is a hint: you don't. As an actual person who has represented all of w-space, residents have a number of diverse opinions, and getting any 5 or 6 of them to agree to something would be very difficult.

For example, you "hate" the frig holes, but they played a small part in being able to get reinforcements into our home system during the recent invasion. They certainly can be a pain from time to time, but they do add an interesting new mechanic to w-space, one that is hard for existing groups to control and even understand.

Player density in w-space is a difficult issue, in fact. If w-space becomes too dense, you lose the ability to sneak up on people, and you also drive out smaller groups. Adding new systems that are even harder to live in or invade or control could be a very good thing. They also offer a lot more interesting low/0.0 connections to those of us in higher class wormholes, since now a lot more C6s will have statics to k-space. Especially with the jump fatigue changes, this might mean more w-space groups can do fun things like drop dreads on ratting carriers and make their escape before the 0.0 guys can react.

New things are good. w-space is good. New things in w-space is extra good. Given CCP's faster release cycle, if things suck, they can be adjusted, but you are just speculating, and doing a bad job of it, IMHO.

So.. You already know SSC isn't perma blue to any other large w-space entities.. if you spend just a few minuts checking stats you would know that our normal fleets range from 5-30 pilots depending on the time of the day.. But sure, you can base your opinion on fleets that happends less than 1 time pr. month. Just know that you are also only right 1 time/month.. and from the other several hundred times.. I would call that pretty bad stats, even for you..

These new wormholes won't add any new connections to our home system from what I read in the blog. Did you see anywhere that these new systems have more than 1 W-space statics for C5 space? Actualy, having more single w-space static systems makes the chances of rolling into us smaller.. Im sure the goons statistic squad can help you out on that one.

About ice mining, please read where I wrote that I liked it because solo-players who couldn't run other stuff had something to do.. And then read it again, just to make sure you actualy also understood it.

I don't remember mentioning anything about having a systemworth of pve sites? I assume you are talking about the "benefits of w-space without risking to loos your stuff part" - In that case, you are more of a carebear than I thought.. I was talking about the powerprojection you get from rolling K-space wormholes. Please don't assume I'm like you.. thanks..

For clone costs.. I never told you you should suffer because I do.. Im saying that gameplay surrounding frigats, in an enviroment where people can't change clones, seems rather dumb when you with the other hand is making changes to clones to make more veterans to fly said ships... If you already know that clonecosts makes people stay away from frigats, then why use so many resources on adding frigat gameplay that people aren't gonna use because they don't have the benefit of cheap clones.

Adding systems decrease density.. If there is 200 empty systems, adding another 12 doesn't allow for more people to come and play. if they wanted to play they would have used one of the 200 empty systems(some of them with perfect PI etc.) that is already in place and not bother with a less-secure wormhole. That argument is just fundamentaly flawed, sorry.. Adding more space decreases density unless you add more people.. actualy.. Just ask that goonswarm statistic group about that one as well ;)

Your next part just doesn't make any sense.. Sorry.. You should prob. check the wormhole fundamentals videos linked in the devblog and check the wiki before commenting on WH-rolling and site sawn mechanics.. Also.. it's my observation that the large groups doesn't roll their WHs nearly as often as they used to, cause there are no targets to be caught by doing that anymore..

Basically, your entire set of opinions about my post are objective cancerous and hopefully the rest of the people in this thread will be able to back their claims up with atleast some shred of evidence or at least circumstancial evidence and not just pull words and flawed arguments out of their ass.. Thank you for playing.. Now go back to your afk ishtar and enjoy your game.

How about motherships that become the envisioned destructible stations

That is the nature of the way the original systems were laid out and the nature of players wanting to plant a flag that provides a indicator of their domain. Kind of like the five empires of Eve.

Space is mostly empty desolate emptiness with some extremely localized activity. You must expect the vast majority of systems to be empty. If anything CCP made it too easy to upgrade systems.

What needs to be done is for CCP to remove the system upgrade mechanic and make real-sec mean something again and add about 5 times more null-sec systems above, below, and around the existing systems.

Then you would have a lot of small pockets of activity, which a vast nothingness surrounding them to act as a defense buffer, were just a few large organizations would have a hell of a time trying to control.

That with the recent jump changes will make force projection far more difficult.

And, move moon mining to the new massive asteroids belts feature as said many years ago.

yes, it helped you but why push content out that most people do not want and where it was only useful like one time. Just about every WH player and group ignores them

Where are all the youtube videos of frigate fights in frigate holes? Where are all the frigate battles in KM reports? I don't see any.

lmbo at this nerd trying to justify bluing anyone while simultaneously saying "there is no content"

if you want fights, instead of working with folks, knock down their shit, slap them in the face, and say bad things about their mothers

i am not talking about statics you goofus, i am talking about wandering wormholes, y'know, the ones that threaten your home security while you choke down anom after anom after anom

and wow look at that 180 on ice, first it's worthless and unnecessary and now you like it

but i guess it isn't as convenient as having it available in your home systems and so it would be effort weffort for your ickle piwots

ccp's been on record that they hadn't designed wormholes to be habitable in a permanent fashion, while they definitely aren't going to crack down on it, don't expect a whole lot of allowances to the contrary like allowing ice belts to spawn in non-shattered w-space


the "systemworth" quip was in reference to:
"- Puts sleeper sites in K-space and in Thera, a system so irellevant to w-space way of life that it might as well be a normal nullsec."
the point of this quip is to illustrate how hilarious it is that you are complaining of the staggering magnitude of sites a single wormhole creates diluting your precious nanoribbons

and yeah, actually, the whole bit about clones is 100% "i suffer, so should you", if slaves are too expensive to lose then don't plug them in


it decreases density if no one comes to use the sites

but adding more systems adds more pve sites, which increases the amount of food to be consumed

the hope is that the additions will bring more food than chain-collapsing existing wormholers can consume but i suppose this may be a naive thought

after all, people who live in wormholes say they are hardcore pvpers but in reality, you're all anom-munching, risk adverse cowards whose needs to make money far outweigh any real pvp activity

there's a lot alike about we and you all, really, if you scratch the surface a little

also lawl do i detect a hint of bitterness about having your ez-mode api-based stalking system yanked away

lmbo

trying the ol' "reflect what the poster said about you back at them" only works if you actually have a grasp on the english language

like seriously "objective cancerous"

you could have copied and pasted what i said but you managed to stumble over retyping it

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Honestly.. Just stop talking about w-space before you have tried it..
Just about everything you are writing is in direct conflict with what I see on a daily basis and you talk about my corp as if we were a part of your own alliance...
Im not trying to ignore your arguments here, I just simply can't take you seriously..
Sorry, You'll need to find someone else to feed you..

Thera sounds cool, though I reserve my ultimate judgement until a month in when trends stabilize.

and not getting kills when you literally blue people to make farming safer