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How do you explain EVE to friends

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Celina Shi
Intergalactic systems
#81 - 2014-11-13 11:32:27 UTC
Im 37 years old, i dont tell my friends that i like to fly internet spaceships..
Yogsoloth
Call of Cuthulu
#82 - 2014-11-13 16:22:53 UTC
I tell them it's where daddy shoots people and takes thier things.

Then my 6 year old looks at me Shocked and says... "Youre a bad guy ? ... I would still help you daddy" Big smile

At which point I smile and reply "That's my boy" Pirate
Dark Hominy
Doomheim
#83 - 2014-11-13 16:40:32 UTC
I tell them about the beautiful nebula and other outer space imagery.
How cool the stations look.
How much fun mining is.
The awesome hallway on the other side of the CQ door.
I tell them about the hyper-realistic submarine physics.
I describe the blue doughnut and about bored null sec denizens.
How not to expect a fair fight. NO really, make sure it isn't fair.
I then tell them they probably won't like the game because it doesn't suit their personality.

And finally, if they survive the trial I say, "Good night. Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely pod you in the morning."
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2014-11-13 18:28:00 UTC
I show them the new Twitch stream gambling site.........Eve pvp.
Herzav
Perkone
Caldari State
#85 - 2014-11-13 18:43:34 UTC
EvE is a fickle mistress I daresay, I have attempted to explain EvE in many ways to my friends, yet I have never managed to convince anyone to try it.

Best MMO of the market? ''El Oh El, we got wow''
''Oh its too much of a bother to try''
''Oh I don't like space very much''
''Oh its just your generic MMO''
''Oh I like FPS because I am too braindead to use my head''
'' Oh you are too old to play vidya games''

I sometimes wonder if it has something to do with age, I have played a lot of MMO's and video games since I was not-so-small brat, I guess I'm just burned out of the same crap ever since ever.

Am I turning into a hipster? Every single person I know plays the same yearly generic game yet I am here being a bitter ******* about not having real life friends to play with, I am forced to rely solely on the players of EvE for content.
Prince Kobol
#86 - 2014-11-13 19:25:50 UTC
Here is the thing, most people I know who play MMO's all started off with games like UO, EQ, WOW etc, like most of us here.

The reason they do not like Eve, is because they feel there is no end goal.

Let me try and explain.

In your traditional MMO you have a level cap to aim for and group content to accomplish. To do this you have to grind virtues, armour, weapons blah blah blah.

Now most of the people I know play 2 - 3 MMO's at the same time. Once they complete all the relevant content they move onto the next game,and then to the next game and usually by that time the first game will have received new content and the process starts again.

The problem they all have with Eve is that they do not see any end goal.

I can point out that there are many things they could do but they just reply what is the point.

What is the point for doing x, y and z to earn isk so they can PvP if it doesn't accomplish anything.

I point out that they can do FW and you can earn isk whilst you PvP. Great, what happens in FW they ask..

Well you PvP, there is no real accomplishment, doesn't really mean anything.. they do not like this.

What about living in null sec... erm, lets skip that one..

It is hard to convince people who are use to working towards a goal to play a game that has no real goals for a small group.
Herzav
Perkone
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-11-13 19:42:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzav
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is the thing, most people I know who play MMO's all started off with games like UO, EQ, WOW etc, like most of us here.

The reason they do not like Eve, is because they feel there is no end goal.

Let me try and explain.

In your traditional MMO you have a level cap to aim for and group content to accomplish. To do this you have to grind virtues, armour, weapons blah blah blah.

Now most of the people I know play 2 - 3 MMO's at the same time. Once they complete all the relevant content they move onto the next game,and then to the next game and usually by that time the first game will have received new content and the process starts again.

The problem they all have with Eve is that they do not see any end goal.

I can point out that there are many things they could do but they just reply what is the point.

What is the point for doing x, y and z to earn isk so they can PvP if it doesn't accomplish anything.

I point out that they can do FW and you can earn isk whilst you PvP. Great, what happens in FW they ask..

Well you PvP, there is no real accomplishment, doesn't really mean anything.. they do not like this.

What about living in null sec... erm, lets skip that one..

It is hard to convince people who are use to working towards a goal to play a game that has no real goals for a small group.


That seems like the mentality nowadays, but what happened to making your own fun?

Different mindset I guess, but I think the ''make your own fun'' mindset is for the old-ish people while the ''themepark'' content is for the younguns.

Also, how the hell does one make time for 2 to 3 mmos at the same time? I find that even one single game is enough to hold all of my time.

Variety is the spice of life but you need content as well to keep you full, what use is a lot of flavor but no full belly?
Prince Kobol
#88 - 2014-11-13 20:10:50 UTC
Herzav wrote:
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That seems like the mentality nowadays, but what happened to making your own fun?

Different mindset I guess, but I think the ''make your own fun'' mindset is for the old-ish people while the ''themepark'' content is for the younguns.

Also, how the hell does one make time for 2 to 3 mmos at the same time? I find that even one single game is enough to hold all of my time.

Variety is the spice of life but you need content as well to keep you full, what use is a lot of flavor but no full belly?


Personally I think age has very little to do with it. All people I know who do not like Eve are 30+ with families.

There is lot to be said making your own fun but on the flip side Eve like all games is repetitive. For some people blowing space ships with no real end goal can get tiresome quickly.

As for playing all those games, it doesn't take much to burn though new expansion packs when you are not starting from fresh.
Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#89 - 2014-11-13 20:59:15 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Herzav wrote:
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That seems like the mentality nowadays, but what happened to making your own fun?

Different mindset I guess, but I think the ''make your own fun'' mindset is for the old-ish people while the ''themepark'' content is for the younguns.

Also, how the hell does one make time for 2 to 3 mmos at the same time? I find that even one single game is enough to hold all of my time.

Variety is the spice of life but you need content as well to keep you full, what use is a lot of flavor but no full belly?


Personally I think age has very little to do with it. All people I know who do not like Eve are 30+ with families.

There is lot to be said making your own fun but on the flip side Eve like all games is repetitive. For some people blowing space ships with no real end goal can get tiresome quickly.

As for playing all those games, it doesn't take much to burn though new expansion packs when you are not starting from fresh.


EVE may be repetitive but at least the numbers always go up. I've played a number of other MMOs, and enjoyed them for quite some time, but eventually I realized that the level bar wasn't enough to motivate me.

In EVE I'm a Care Bear at the moment largely due to not having a lot of time to play. Yet at any point I can undock in some random ship, make 20 jumps in a random direction, and blow up some random player without having to fuss with timers or rules. It doesn't even matter how long they've been playing or what corp they might be in. True such actions could have massive consequences but it's much more organic than any PvP I've done in other MMOs.

Plus if I'm going to spend days grinding to buy things that cost massive amounts of money, I'd much rather own an epic space ship than a piece of armor.

For me I probably wouldn't try to explain EVE, I'd get them to set up a trial character and throw them head first into the game. If they survive that then they'll be fine.
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#90 - 2014-11-14 01:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr M
"EVE is kind of like this."


Then I tell them I'll double their money if they give me a $100.

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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#91 - 2014-11-14 02:26:22 UTC
Celina Shi wrote:
Im 37 years old, i dont tell my friends that i like to fly internet spaceships..


I'm 43, and most of my friends who would play a computer game at all find EVE kind of interesting!

Aside from explaining it in the context of my work, I've never felt awkward about talking about playing EVE. The way I'd explain it to friends or family is that it's a space-themed computer game with a huge world, shared by thousands of people, that is all about the conflict between self-organized teams of players.

Making clear that the fun of the game is essentially social contact between teammates is something that even the people I know who don't play video games understand.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#92 - 2014-11-14 02:45:56 UTC
CCP Darwin wrote:
Celina Shi wrote:
Im 37 years old, i dont tell my friends that i like to fly internet spaceships..


I'm 43, and most of my friends who would play a computer game at all find EVE kind of interesting!

Aside from explaining it in the context of my work, I've never felt awkward about talking about playing EVE. The way I'd explain it to friends or family is that it's a space-themed computer game with a huge world, shared by thousands of people, that is all about the conflict between self-organized teams of players.

Making clear that the fun of the game is essentially social contact between teammates is something that even the people I know who don't play video games understand.

...and then you pod them?

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#93 - 2014-11-14 08:15:04 UTC
I did that to a buddy that joined eve. He did not know it was me at the time.

I actively hunt people I meet in RL I know play EVE, pod them and then say hello and buy them a beer.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#94 - 2014-11-14 09:53:54 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I actively hunt people I meet in RL I know play EVE, pod them and then say hello and buy them a beer.

You should go to Fanfest and see how many people avoid meeting you (then hunt them too).
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#95 - 2014-11-14 10:03:39 UTC
I told 5 people in total the following:

"Smallest thing you can fly is about 20 meters in diameter, largest thing you can fly is about 12km long, it goes permanently boom if you screw up and you can get 51 days of game time on my behalf."

2/5 took the bait, one stayed for 6+ years, other one is just playing Skill Queue: Online at the moment.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#96 - 2014-11-14 13:57:36 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
I told 5 people in total the following:

"Smallest thing you can fly is about 20 meters in diameter, largest thing you can fly is about 12km long, it goes permanently boom if you screw up and you can get 51 days of game time on my behalf."

2/5 took the bait, one stayed for 6+ years, other one is just playing Skill Queue: Online at the moment.


Your record is better than mine, right now I'm 2 for 8.

The 6 that tried it and didn't continue still ask me about what's going on in the game all the time, 1 of those comes back ever now and again every couple years. So maybe call is 2.5/ for 8 lol.
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#97 - 2014-11-14 16:22:46 UTC
I say its like you know beeing sucked into one of those hypnotic space vaginas and instead of trying to escape you sit quietly alone complaining about everthing and and everbody not even trying to make it out of there. No one ever bother whit it..

SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder
Gaellia Bonaventure
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2014-11-14 18:38:42 UTC
Celina Shi wrote:
Im 37 years old, i dont tell my friends that i like to fly internet spaceships..


Then tell them you play an economic simulator because that would actually be closer to the truth.

Bring your possibles.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#99 - 2014-11-14 20:21:15 UTC
You could use the work analogy:

It's like RL work where sociopaths and normal people interact daily in a real-time perpetual environment, but it's different because it's on a level playing field as gun-play is encouraged.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#100 - 2014-11-14 23:37:55 UTC
This was on Twitter the other day. Made me laugh some, I may be a carebear but I'm not a blonde.

https://twitter.com/EVE_CSM/status/532783223731154944

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson