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Dev blog: Thera and the Shattered Wormholes

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SpaceSaft
Almost Dangerous
Wolves Amongst Strangers
#81 - 2014-11-13 18:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: SpaceSaft
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They will contain minable ice fields.

They will have no moons and every planet will be shattered.


Cheeky. I'm sure this is exactly what the wormhole community meant when they said "put ice in wh-space". At least they can't say you aren't listening.

I'll reserve all judgement of Thera until a month after it hits Tranquility.
Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#82 - 2014-11-13 18:57:46 UTC
Ajunta Thor wrote:
Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.


I'm more concerned about the racial nature of ice and how it is far more likely that the ice is useless to you because it is of the wrong type rather than being too dangerous to get. Danger is how it is in wormhole space and these systems will be no different than others in that respect.
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-11-13 18:59:03 UTC
Ajunta Thor wrote:
Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.

It's not a death trap. Those who want to mine their ice can and will and those who choose to import will keep doing it.

This is really just to allow self sufficiency if you want it as it doesn't take a lot of ice mining to get what you need and can be ninja'd pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#84 - 2014-11-13 18:59:36 UTC
Ajunta Thor wrote:
Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.


You sir seem to be lacking in knowledge of logistics, organization and most importantly, imagination.

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adriaans
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
#85 - 2014-11-13 19:04:49 UTC
This sounds awesome. I am very hopeful it will become an area where I can get good fights in smaller ships.

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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#86 - 2014-11-13 19:05:27 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Ajunta Thor wrote:
Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.

It's not a death trap. Those who want to mine their ice can and will and those who choose to import will keep doing it.

This is really just to allow self sufficiency if you want it as it doesn't take a lot of ice mining to get what you need and can be ninja'd pretty quickly when the opportunity presents itself.


Sure. With 50 Russians camping in WH stations. Useless
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-11-13 19:05:41 UTC
Looks interesting, though I expect Thera to be filled with bubbles and bombers at least for the first few weeks after it goes live on Tranquilty. Maybe I should brush up those scanning skills to see it live.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#88 - 2014-11-13 19:08:39 UTC
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....

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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#89 - 2014-11-13 19:09:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Fred Kyong
Keras Authion wrote:
Looks interesting, though I expect Thera to be filled with bubbles and bombers at least for the first few weeks after it goes live on Tranquilty. Maybe I should brush up those scanning skills to see it live.


No bubbles allowed in such WHs
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#90 - 2014-11-13 19:09:53 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it?


We're all kinda thinking the same thing. A group of 4 people can lockup a station pretty easily, then dock about as easily.

I see it happening. I'm not sure for how long.

I'm a little less worried about people at sites. Yes they will be probed down to death the first week or two. After the novelty wears off though..

You can put too many stations into a system and defeat the whole purpose of it. A lot of us see 4 as too low. I believe 9 is too high. You could put more stations in, but the one that people designate as "the trade hub", will be the one under 24 hour hobo watch.

I'm going to stop theorycrafting though and go see it first.

Yaay!!!!
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#91 - 2014-11-13 19:10:38 UTC
Obil Que wrote:
Ajunta Thor wrote:
Overall I like the idea of Thera. Just one question/comment. You finally decided to put ice in wormhole space which is great something wormholers have been asking for for a while but the only wormholes you can get the ice in you can't live in or control that well. So why? What's the point/bonus to go mine ice in a wormhole? It's not your whole and probably has multiple entrances basically a death trap for indy guys. Why would they mine ice here over wherever they are mining it right now? IThe just seems pointless.


I'm more concerned about the racial nature of ice and how it is far more likely that the ice is useless to you because it is of the wrong type rather than being too dangerous to get. Danger is how it is in wormhole space and these systems will be no different than others in that respect.



Then you just move the ice and sell it in thera heh.

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Fred Kyong
Grollwerk
#92 - 2014-11-13 19:11:37 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
What are the odds of doubling the stations and size of Thera if it proves to be too small after some time? Or would you simply add another system like it?


We're all kinda thinking the same thing. A group of 4 people can lockup a station pretty easily, then dock about as easily.

I see it happening. I'm not sure for how long.

I'm a little less worried about people at sites. Yes they will be probed down to death the first week or two. After the novelty wears off though..

You can put too many stations into a system and defeat the whole purpose of it. A lot of us see 4 as too low. I believe 9 is too high. You could put more stations in, but the one that people designate as "the trade hub", will be the one under 24 hour hobo watch.

I'm going to stop theorycrafting though and go see it first.



You can see it on Sissy
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
#93 - 2014-11-13 19:11:41 UTC
I need a cloaky ship and oceans of popcorn.
Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#94 - 2014-11-13 19:12:03 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....


In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine

Yaay!!!!
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#95 - 2014-11-13 19:18:06 UTC
Phoenix Jones wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....


In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine



Except that's not what the blog says:

"The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions:
• All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.
"
The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp

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Obil Que
Star Explorers
Solis Tenebris
#96 - 2014-11-13 19:18:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Obil Que
Phoenix Jones wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....


In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine


Best reasons to enter are the C6 level gasses and taking advantage of the WR effect for Assault Frigates like the Enyo to clean house in the C1 through C3 anoms present. A decent reason to go for some. Will be interesting then to see how effective the T3 destroyers and T2 HICs are in those environments.
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#97 - 2014-11-13 19:27:18 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....


In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine



Except that's not what the blog says:

"The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions:
• All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.
"
The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp

the ice is not only in small frigate wormholes you goofus

it's in all shattered wormholes, including the 75 that allow larger ships in

heck we don't even know if the 25 frigate ones spawn ice at all but even if they do it doesn't preclude the fact that it does spawn in the big ones
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#98 - 2014-11-13 19:30:39 UTC
even if the frigate wormholes spawn ice then big taffin deal

it's not like the ice there is somehow STEALING ICE from another system, it just exists there to mock you a little and be all cold and whatnot
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#99 - 2014-11-13 19:31:24 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Phoenix Jones wrote:
DaReaper wrote:
Um.. not sure if this was asked... but uh... in 25 wormhole there will be ice fields... yet the wormholes can only allow frigs... a frig is around 25km3 and the smallest barge, that can use ice miners is 100km3... or the size of a cruiser/bs... so.. how the hades are you going to be able to mine ice in these 25 systems? unless I am missing something... which if I am correct me, because I don't know of a none strip ice miner....


In assuming these 25 systems won't have ice in them (because that would be completely useless). Barges won't fit and the venture can't icemine



Except that's not what the blog says:

"The twenty five Small Ship Shattered Wormhole Systems will have all the features of the normal Shattered Wormhole Systems, with the following additions:
• All wormholes in or out of these systems will be small ship wormholes, meaning that only Frigates, Destroyers and Heavy Interdictors (Heavy Interdictors can use their bubble generators to reduce their mass) can enter.
"
The smallest barge is 10m kg in mass. and I forget the max size a frig hole can hold... but it seems these won't fit. Need clarification ccp

the ice is not only in small frigate wormholes you goofus

it's in all shattered wormholes, including the 75 that allow larger ships in

heck we don't even know if the 25 frigate ones spawn ice at all but even if they do it doesn't preclude the fact that it does spawn in the big ones


*pinches the bridge of his nose* this Is why I am asking for clarification... the blog says the 25 small holes have the exact same stats as the 75 other ones. So.... if the stats are the same, and they have ice in them, there is zero point to have ice if you have no means to mine it. Its to verify that ccp realize this, and if not to make a slight modification. This is what feedback threads are for you know =)

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#100 - 2014-11-13 19:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
Promiscuous Female wrote:
even if the frigate wormholes spawn ice then big taffin deal

it's not like the ice there is somehow STEALING ICE from another system, it just exists there to mock you a little and be all cold and whatnot



and this is a valid reason to add ice to the 25 holes. But, I still want clarification that someone at ccp forgot to check and overlook this detail or that I am not misreading the data we were provided.

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